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While We Are Paying for Iraq's Reconstruction; They Reap a $70 Billion Oil Windfall
Topic Started: Apr 30 2008, 02:04 AM (395 Views)
QuirtEvans
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/29/ira...fall/index.html
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lb1
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I think the thirty million we have spent to date on reconstruction is a better investment that the 325 million per year we send to Planned Parenthood.

Of this 70 billion windfall, most of it has occured in recent times.

And what is up with the stupid picture of the rusty barrels? Are we supposed to think that there is oil shipped in them?

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My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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lb1
Apr 30 2008, 03:04 AM
I think the thirty million we have spent to date on reconstruction is a better investment that the 325 million per year we send to Planned Parenthood.

"Congress has approved about $47 billion in reconstruction funding since the invasion."
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Apr 30 2008, 02:04 AM

"The issue has become a sore spot for some U.S. lawmakers as the war enters its sixth year, with both Republicans and Democrats raising complaints that U.S. taxpayers are footing the bill for reconstruction work in the now-flush nation."

So, they're getting rich while our economy is going into the toilet. Nice!
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Apr 30 2008, 03:46 AM
lb1
Apr 30 2008, 03:04 AM
I think the thirty million we have spent to date on reconstruction is a better investment that the 325 million per year we send to Planned Parenthood.

"Congress has approved about $47 billion in reconstruction funding since the invasion."

30 million has been spent. There may be a big Visa bill coming, but you can't count it until you pay it.

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Congress has approved about $47 billion in reconstruction funding since the invasion. About $30 million of that has been spent, the inspector-general's report found, and the country's U.S.-backed government was paying about half the cost of reconstruction projects by the end of 2007
My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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Daniel
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Why the Hell should we pay it anyway? Let them pay it.
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Apr 30 2008, 04:07 AM
Why the Hell should we pay it anyway? Let them pay it.

It is an investment. What is the payback in spending 325 million a year to kill babies.

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My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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Apr 30 2008, 07:16 AM
Daniel
Apr 30 2008, 04:07 AM
Why the Hell should we pay it anyway?  Let them pay it.

It is an investment. What is the payback in spending 325 million a year to kill babies.

lb

Let's see ...

We don't have to fund education costs, medical costs, we don't suffer the societal costs of unwanted children, no welfare or unemployment insurance, no jail costs for the percentage that commit crimes, no societal costs for the crimes themselves ....

There are too many people on the planet. Population growth is the biggest issue facing the human race, and we don't even realize it.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Daniel
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Again, let them pay for it. It's their country.
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Let's see ...

We don't have to fund education costs, medical costs, we don't suffer the societal costs of unwanted children, no welfare or unemployment insurance, no jail costs for the percentage that commit crimes, no societal costs for the crimes themselves ....

There are too many people on the planet. Population growth is the biggest issue facing the human race, and we don't even realize it.


Well there's some logic for ya!

Too many people - so let's just kill some of them!

Why stop there, Quirt? Heck, let's just shut all the schools down and kill all the kids. Then we won't have to pay for their education! Let's kill those who get wounded or so sick they can't work any more. They're just a drain on the unemployment fund..

Hell, let's just kill all the women - they're the ones who keep raising the population in the first place..

Or we could just bomb the hell out of the middle east and kill all of them, then we could take all these undesirables living over here and put them over there so we've all got more room.

Yeah, that's good liberal thinking!
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Larry
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Oh, I forgot - we could kill everyone who has too big of a carbon footprint too. That way we would be solving the financial part of it and helping stop global warming at the same time!

But.... what if they decided to just kill all the people whose brains are infected with the disease of liberalism! Now *that's* the ticket!

Talk about solving the world's problems!.....
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There's a difference between killing people and stopping new ones from being created. You and I simply don't agree on when a "person" begins to exist.

Actually, we don't even disagree on that very much, because in the past you've said you're not opposed to abortion, as long as there are reasonable limits ... like only in the first trimester.

So stop making ridiculous arguments for the sake of making an argument. It just makes you look foolish.
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QuirtEvans
Apr 30 2008, 04:22 AM
lb1
Apr 30 2008, 07:16 AM
Daniel
Apr 30 2008, 04:07 AM
Why the Hell should we pay it anyway?  Let them pay it.

It is an investment. What is the payback in spending 325 million a year to kill babies.

lb

Let's see ...

We don't have to fund education costs, medical costs, we don't suffer the societal costs of unwanted children, no welfare or unemployment insurance, no jail costs for the percentage that commit crimes, no societal costs for the crimes themselves ....

There are too many people on the planet. Population growth is the biggest issue facing the human race, and we don't even realize it.

Wow, that's cold.
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Anyway, getting back to the original topic, the article seems a bit disingenuous. I'm sure a lot of the 30 million was spent long ago, whereas production increases and the cost of oil has risen only recently. Like most things in Iraq, this is delicate balance. Sure we want them to refinance all of their own reconstruction, but if we demand it and it ulimately causes additional problems, then we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

And sure, Bush's optimism at the beginning of the war has proven to be wrong. I guess he is a LIAR!
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Red Rice
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Given the corruption and inefficiency the Iraq government has so far demonstrated, I fear a lot of that oil money is finding its way into Swiss bank accounts.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

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There's a typo in that news article. The best numbers I can come up with on reconstructions spending indicates that something over $30 billion of the $47 billion allocated so far has been spent, sometimes with nothing to show for it, reference the various criminal probes around some of the contracts.

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Mikhailoh
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I think you can pretty much count on a lot of corruption. That is the way it works in so many places.
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Apr 30 2008, 12:30 PM
I think you can pretty much count on a lot of corruption. That is the way it works in so many places.

That may explain some of it, but it doesn't excuse it. There are a number of US based contractors implicited in some stories I have read.

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I always felt that white collar crime would respond better to capital punishment than would murder and other "crimes of passion".
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Apr 30 2008, 07:43 PM
I always felt that white collar crime would respond better to capital punishment than would murder and other "crimes of passion".

The problem is that whether a white collar crime has occurred is not as clear as whether a murder has occurred.
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Quirt, you're killing my buzz again!
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big al
Apr 30 2008, 04:49 PM
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Apr 30 2008, 12:30 PM
I think you can pretty much count on a lot of corruption. That is the way it works in so many places.

That may explain some of it, but it doesn't excuse it. There are a number of US based contractors implicited in some stories I have read.

Big Al

No, it doesn't. But trying too hard to fight it can be tilting at windmills too.
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