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| Abstinence programmes in US; For teens | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Apr 29 2008, 09:42 AM Post #76 |
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Well it does seem kind of contradictory to say "don't do this..... but if you do, do it this way," but I would hope that there's some sort of a way to present kids with both. |
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| Luke's Dad | Apr 29 2008, 09:46 AM Post #77 |
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Personally, I support funding for research on a drug that would keep them impotent until 18. |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 29 2008, 09:49 AM Post #78 |
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I can't speak for schools in general, but none of that happens in our school. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Luke's Dad | Apr 29 2008, 10:01 AM Post #79 |
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While it is contradictory at first glance, it doesn't necessarily mean anything if the parents have done their jobs with educating their own children and helping them learn respect/morals/ethics/etc... It bothers me somewhat that the message in the schools can be contradictory, but I think with M&M's and my work, Luke will be just fine. The problem comes in with all of the parents that don't instill any sense of virtues and responsibility into their children; and unfortunately, those kids vastly outnumber the kids that are being taught about maturity, decisions, and how those decisions can impact one's life. All these kids have to go on is pop culture, peers, and school. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 29 2008, 10:13 AM Post #80 |
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With respect to forced sharing of school supplies, this is the only thing I found in a brief look on Google: http://www.huffenglish.com/?p=160 I can tell you that, if I got that sort of note, I'd be talking to the principal about it. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 29 2008, 10:16 AM Post #81 |
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Here's an article about what to expect in the third grade: http://www.education.com/magazine/article/Third_Grade_Read/ It doesn't mention sex ed. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Apr 29 2008, 11:19 AM Post #82 |
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Great, then they have a lot less to worry about if they know they are firing blanks. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Luke's Dad | Apr 29 2008, 11:25 AM Post #83 |
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From Merriam's:
Hard to shoot a blank when you can't even cock the hammer. |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 29 2008, 11:28 AM Post #84 |
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Perhaps not the most apt expression in this instance. :rolleyes: |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| ivorythumper | Apr 29 2008, 11:54 AM Post #85 |
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I see you are cultivating them in the gentle art of dinner conversation.
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| Jolly | Apr 29 2008, 11:56 AM Post #86 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Duct tape can fix anything... |
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| ivorythumper | Apr 29 2008, 11:57 AM Post #87 |
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Can't imagine how bad it would be if we hadn't had 25 years of safe sex teaching. |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 29 2008, 11:58 AM Post #88 |
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Yeah, today's teenagers really benefit from safe sex teaching of others before they were born. :rolleyes: |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| ivorythumper | Apr 29 2008, 12:05 PM Post #89 |
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Assuming abstinence only was even truly implemented (I am high skeptical of that), I take it you see that as yet another failing of Clinton's presidency?
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 29 2008, 12:07 PM Post #90 |
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You mentioned 25 years ago. Who was President 25 years ago? Maybe you could remind me.
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| LadyElton | Apr 29 2008, 12:22 PM Post #91 |
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Any proof that kids are taught how to have gay sex in the 3rd grade? I remember being in the 4th or 5th grade and being taken along with the other girls into another room to learn about our periods. We learned what happens when we are menstrating, how much blood is lost, how to use a maxi pad (not tampons because of toxic shock syndrome) and about ovulation. Nothing about munching muff. I learned about that on my own, thank you very much. But not when I was a kid. It wasn't until after I was out of high school. The book "Heather Has Two Mommies" is just about a girl who has 2 moms and they are still a family just like everyone else. Nothing sexual. Sorry to burst your bubble. Also, I work at a mental health clinic whose clients are on welfare, well a majority of them. Yeah, I see people who leech off the system, but I also see people who desperately need it. I have friends who are on welfare so I take that dig personally. |
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| ivorythumper | Apr 29 2008, 12:54 PM Post #92 |
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I guess I am missing your point. Modern sex education (condoms, etc) has been taught since the 70s (I should have said 35 years, not 25 years). It is still the general curriculum. Abstinence only -- which is a Clinton era program -- is not federally mandated, it is a federal grant to programs that comply with special requirements. So any failing of abstinence only must be placed at the feet of Clinton, not Bush -- contrary to the article. But it is not even clear that the problems lie with abstinence only programs. Contrary to your point, all of the students in the survey were born and educated in the era of modern sex ed. My original point was that after decade of safe sex teaching, the stats you posted argue for the abysmal failure of modern sex education. Given that the survey group is collegiate men, assumed to be in the upper third or so of the population (only 28% of Americans get a bachelor's degree), those stats show the failure of modern sex ed. It is an indictment of the whole system, not abstinence only education. |
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| Axtremus | Apr 29 2008, 01:00 PM Post #93 |
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Over the past 25 (or 35) years, were parents able to opt their children out of sex ed? How many of them did so? Perhaps its the parents' reluctance to let their kids participate in sex ed that leads to what ivorythumper deems a failure of the last 25 (or 35) years of sex ed. |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 29 2008, 01:03 PM Post #94 |
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Indeed, what it proves is that, when the subject is sex, you have an extraordinarily hard time getting a teenage male to pay attention. He's too busy fantasizing. However, that doesn't mean that you stop doing it. You just figure out how to do it better. Maybe a practical exam, like a driver's test.
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| ivorythumper | Apr 29 2008, 01:10 PM Post #95 |
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What percentage of parents do you think really had their children opt out, Ax? |
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| ivorythumper | Apr 29 2008, 01:14 PM Post #96 |
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Not oral exams?
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| sue | Apr 29 2008, 01:26 PM Post #97 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I guess that's directed at me, I made a reference to welfare. Sorry. It wasn't necessary, I should have just said 'teenage high school dropout mums' |
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| sue | Apr 29 2008, 01:29 PM Post #98 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Oh gosh. Would they have to sport a big "L" for a year, then an "N" for another two? Hey, maybe that's not such a bad idea, might cool their jets just a tad.
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| Axtremus | Apr 29 2008, 05:37 PM Post #99 |
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I don't know, that's what I was hoping to find out (so far unsuccessfully). Might you know the statistics? |
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| Daniel | Apr 29 2008, 11:40 PM Post #100 |
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An indictment of liberalism! Um, or not. |
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But not when I was a kid. It wasn't until after I was out of high school.


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