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Hillary would nuke Iran; for attack on Israel
Topic Started: Apr 23 2008, 04:06 AM (417 Views)
Mikhailoh
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She will do or say anything to get elected.

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/cli...422170309990001


Clinton Says US Could 'Obliterate' Iran
By David Morgan,Reuters
Posted: 2008-04-22 23:17:35
Filed Under: Elections News, Hillary Clinton

WASHINGTON (April 22) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton warned Tehran on Tuesday that if she were president, the United States could "totally obliterate" Iran in retaliation for a nuclear strike against Israel.

On the day of a crucial vote in her nomination battle against fellow Democrat Barack Obama, the New York senator said she wanted to make clear to Tehran what she was prepared to do as president in hopes that this warning would deter any Iranian nuclear attack against the Jewish state.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel)," Clinton said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."

"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them," she said.


"That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic," Clinton said.

Her comments appeared harder than a week ago, when during a presidential debate she promised "massive retaliation" against any Iranian attack on Israel.

Obama rejected Clinton's rhetoric as saber rattling on a day when Pennsylvania Democrats voted in a party primary contest that could help decide which Democrat will face Republican John McCain for the White House in the November general election.

"One of the things that we've seen over the last several years is a bunch of talk using words like 'obliterate,"' Obama, an Illinois senator, said in a separate ABC interview. "It doesn't actually produce good results. And so I'm not interested in saber rattling."

Contradiction Accusation

The Obama campaign also issued a statement saying Clinton was contradicting her remarks at an August debate, where Obama spoke in favor of taking unilateral military action in Pakistan if the United States had actionable intelligence on the whereabouts of senior al Qaeda members.

Clinton had said she did not believe "people running for president should engage in hypotheticals" and called it a mistake "to telegraph" what U.S. strategy might be at a time of unrest inside Pakistan.


At a Tuesday news conference in the Philadelphia suburb of Conshohocken, Pennsylvania, Clinton said the question of Iran merited hypothetical discussion because a nuclear Tehran would require straightforward Cold War-style deterrence. "It's a question not of what might be on or off the table," she said.

Meanwhile, Obama said he would respond "forcefully and swiftly" to an Iranian attack against Israel or any other U.S. ally, whether conventional or nuclear.

Iran, which Washington and its allies charge is seeking nuclear arms, has voiced war-like rhetoric in recent years amid speculation its nuclear facilities could face U.S. or Israeli military action.

Tehran denies it is trying to acquire nuclear weapons and says it needs nuclear technology to generate electricity.

Israel is widely believed to have nuclear weapons but, as part of a policy of "strategic ambiguity," has not confirmed or denied the nature of its arsenal.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad outraged the international community in 2005 by saying "Israel should be wiped off the map." A week ago, a senior Iranian army commander said Iran would "eliminate" Israel in response to any military attack from the Jewish state.
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Mikhailoh
Apr 23 2008, 02:06 PM
She will do or say anything to get elected.

Is this just another way of saying "I agree with her position, but I don't like her"? :wink:
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Apr 23 2008, 08:13 AM
Mikhailoh
Apr 23 2008, 02:06 PM
She will do or say anything to get elected.

Is this just another way of saying "I agree with her position, but I don't like her"? :wink:

:lol:
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I don't believe presidential candidates ought to run around threatening nuclear obliteration to get votes, no. And would we ever obliterate Iran? No. They are way, way too close to Pakistan, Russia, India - can you imagine the effect of a major nuclear salvo on the regional environment? The regional political situation? We'd be international pariahs for generations to come.

No way we ever obliterate anyone. Not going to happen. And very poorly chosen, not to mention contradictory, words from someone who asks to be put in the position to make that decision.

In short, she believes in nothing but getting elected. The end justifies the means. But that should not surprise anyone.
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Anyone else find this slightly ironic? I thought Bush was so unpopular because he was a war-hawk, going to war in Iraq when many people believed Iraq did not directly affect the United States. So now the democrat is threatening to completely destroy a much more powerful country, with nuclear weapons, if they attack a country that is not the United States?

And what if the time comes, and a majority of America opposes nuclear action in Iran? Would Hilary do it anyway, and accept the low ratings?

(Yes, I know, that's simplistic.)
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David might be right.
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So now the democrat is threatening to completely destroy a much more powerful country, with nuclear weapons, if they attack a country that is not the United States? 


It is called a nuclear umbrella, and we have held it over the heads of many countries over the past half century. It currently protects Japan and South Korea. It still protects Europe, though the cold war urgency is lacking.

What is silly (IMV) is the gunslinging tone and the fact that she seems to think she can just do it because she wants to. These policies are arranged by treaty, not by presidential whim. Anything said by a president (or presidential wannabee) that is not ultimately codified in treaty form is just hot air with no credibility. Hence it would not be believed by those who it is designed to "protect."




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Apr 23 2008, 09:23 AM
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So now the democrat is threatening to completely destroy a much more powerful country, with nuclear weapons, if they attack a country that is not the United States? 


It is called a nuclear umbrella, and we have held it over the heads of many countries over the past half century. It currently protects Japan and South Korea. It still protects Europe, though the cold war urgency is lacking.

What is silly (IMV) is the gunslinging tone and the fact that she seems to think she can just do it because she wants to. These policies are arranged by treaty, not by presidential whim. Anything said by a president (or presidential wannabee) that is not ultimately codified in treaty form is just hot air with no credibility. Hence it would not be believed by those who it is designed to "protect."

Besides - I think Iran already has a pretty good idea what we might do in that event.

These words were for domestic consumption.
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Apr 23 2008, 09:19 AM
David might be right.

That thought crossed my mind as well.
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well that would be a disaster seeing how China is all cozy with the Iranians.. and Russia and other countries.

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A small point - I don't see the quote saying quite what the post headline says. The quote makes no specific mention of nuclear retaliation and speaks in the hypothetical "would be able to" versus the declarative "would". Now "totally obliterate" may be code for "nuclear destruction", but I'm not enough of a diplomat to know what they mean in that context.

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Those words were not in diplomatic language, they were for the voters. All that snake oil in the language is nothing but wiggle room, so she can take a strong stand that means nothing.
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If this was directed at the voters, which group of voters does she want to please? Jews?
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Apr 23 2008, 10:43 AM
If this was directed at the voters, which group of voters does she want to please? Jews?

I think she's trying to prove she's not a pacifist as a way of separating herself from Obama, who is a little too much of one for many. In other words, the more conservative of what passes for left-wing over here. The Dems appear a little lost to me.
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Frankly, I have no problem with the idea Clinton was trying to convey. It was not handled in the most elegant, statesman-like way, but I think it is the right idea. I think driving home the idea with Iran is a good idea. I would prefer Clinton over Obama in the White House.
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She just wanted to see her face on Fox news.

Of course, she can kiss the Iranian vote goodbye...
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On the other hand, she has solid support from Israelis now.
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Apr 23 2008, 07:44 AM
On the other hand, she has solid support from Israelis now.

Ori's for Clinton?
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Apr 23 2008, 11:48 AM
JBryan
Apr 23 2008, 07:44 AM
On the other hand, she has solid support from Israelis now.

Ori's for Clinton?

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