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The man from Hope, the man who Hopes,; and the man who brought Hope
Topic Started: Apr 20 2008, 12:55 PM (533 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Axtremus
Apr 21 2008, 10:09 AM
Mikhailoh
Apr 21 2008, 09:31 AM
Number one, the Pope is not a politican.  Catholics do not vote on the Pope or church leadership.  Secondly, the church does not move or think in the same two to four year cycles that elected leaders do. You are talking about an institution of nearly two thousand years.  The comparison with other politicians is both ignorant and inapplicable.

That's our fundamental difference right there! :)

I see the Pope as just another "leader of men" and judge him as I would any other "leader of men" today. You judge him using a different set of criteria and give him free passes where you would not give any other leader of men.

D'Oh's reference to the Pope's visit to child molestation victim is something concrete that I can grasp. That said, on the child abuse issue, I would still say that the Pope has fallen short for so far failing to issue a formal apology and more fully cooperating with secular investigation of the child molestation cases (e.g.).

Oh, Mik, I realize that the church has other issues besides child molestation. I picked that one because that's the only concrete issue you cited in your previous post that I responded to earlier.

That said, I stand by my statement that I think it's premature to declare that the Pope "has unflinchingly met the challenges faced by the church today." It's like Time Magazine anointed Bill Clinton "person of the year" one year into his Presidency. It's just premature to make that kind of judgment where there is not yet sufficient actions and results on which to base such judgment.

(Aqua & IT, thanks for responses to my question on "pope worship" and "papal infallibility".)


Not so. We need government. There is no question whether or not there will be one, of whatever sort. Participation in the Catholic church is voluntary.

First you say I give the Pope passes on things I would not any other leader. You yourself said it was too soon to judge his record - now you want to find it wanting? Can't have it both ways.
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David Burton
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Apr 20 2008, 12:55 PM
Bill Clinton was "The Man From Hope".

Barack Hussein Obama is the man who "hopes" - mostly as in "hope I get elected".

But the man who brought Hope is Pope Benedict.

I'm not a Catholic. I have a few issues with the theology. I don't like all the pomp and ritual. But I am not "anti-Catholic" at all - I have no use for the "Rick Zimmer version" of Catholicism, but the true Catholic faith is one I can find much common ground with.

Never before have I been so impressed by a man of God - of *any* denomination - than I am of your Pope. I watched every single one of his speeches, and I am convinced that he is truly a man of God. Every word he said was inspiring, and inspired.

Those of you who are Catholics should be proud of this man. Those of us who aren't Catholics should be too.

I just wanted to say that...

I had been reading Joseph Ratzinger for years before he became our pope.
It may seem blasphemous to say so, but I believe he is a better man in many respects for the job than his predecessor and it was miraculous that he was elected.

He seems to have decided to preach Jesus Christ ahead of any other subject, and why shouldn’t he? It is refreshing to hear such things from our pope concerning a personal relationship with Our Lord.

I wonder if he is aware, oh come on he must be, that the essentials of the Christian Faith are hotly political? We are all looking for the triumph of the Kingdom of Heaven which is at once a spiritual matter and a physical matter.

In his dealings with others, though he would be peaceful about it and ecumenical to a point, he believes in a respect for differences of opinion and a continual search for Truth which will evade those who are too sure of themselves.

It is rare to find such a satisfying read as one of Ratzinger’s pieces, not satisfying in that he always confirms what one wishes to hear but that he often makes one aware of matters in a fresh and incisive way. I wonder that if he comes across in other languages as well as he translates into English; that he says things with penetrating logic and zeal mixed as if they simply couldn’t be said any better? Inspired is truly what I have read and heard from him to date.

May his pontificate be long and salutary.
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