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Moderators - please do something about Larry.
Topic Started: Mar 6 2008, 06:50 PM (5,175 Views)
ivorythumper
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Mar 6 2008, 10:23 PM
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A lot of people "get me", and a few don't - I think the few are in the minority. (Or majority, if you ask those in the "wrong" group.)


Here's a life lesson for you, Crash. It is because you're a narcissistic little prick that you think that most of us "get you". We "get" you all right - but not in the way you think. You think everyone thinks you're cute and clever. Most people just don't want to have to deal with you because they know it will be of no use. You won't listen, and the moderators won't do anything.

The fact is Crash, most everyone here is sick of your sh!t. And you *know* it's sh!t, because you don't post this stuff on WTF because you already know they won't put up with it.

Larry: I don't get your point. It makes no sense to dare Crash to post at WTF since we all know that they don't put up with a lot of what we put up with here. That doesn't make it sh!t. Crash deals with people differently in different contexts, just as we all do. You included.

I ignore a lot of what a lot of people write here -- including some of what you write. I doubt that that my telling you that constantly repeating "liberalism is a mental disorder" or your fighting with KathyK or Jack, or your constant vulgar language, is going to change your behavior. I am resigned to that, even though I think your style of engagement is actually detrimental to winning people over to your (usually correct) side. I'm not going to change you, and I decide to ignore the parts of your behavior that I find offensive.

Likewise, you are not going to change Crash's behavior. Either you can let it get to you, or not. It's your choice.
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Yeoh, Larry, stop playing the victim card.
It's not working.

Any mature person "sick of CrashTest's ****" have enough sense to just skip and ignore them here. You lack the maturity to handle it. You make mountains out of such easily circumnavigatable mole hills. You choose to go stir that which you call "****." Worst, only you tried to impersonate CrashTest and create more of whatever it is that you call "****" and tried to pin your "****" on CrashTest.

It is obvious that you are the aggressor here, and a lying, nasty, pathetic, losing one at that.
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Well, I'd show you what straw broke the camel's back - but Crash has since gone back and edited it to tone it way down from what it was originally.

But as to my telling him to go post it on WTF, you're missing my point. It's one thing to state something a bit softer to one group than you might to another. That's not what Crash is doing.
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Kiss my ass, Ax. You have a grudge against me, and we all know that. You also lack the common sense to sort out sh!t from shinola. I'm trying to get Crash to stop disrespecting this forum. Grind your grudge somewhere else.

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Mar 7 2008, 02:19 AM
Kiss my ass, Ax. You have a grudge against me, and we all know that. You also lack the common sense to sort out sh!t from shinola. I'm trying to get Crash to stop disrespecting this forum. Grind your grudge somewhere else.

Impersonating another poster and lying to the forum about it -- you, Larry, are the one disrespecting the forum.
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Mar 6 2008, 11:17 PM
Well, I'd show you what straw broke the camel's back - but Crash has since gone back and edited it to tone it way down from what it was originally.

But as to my telling him to go post it on WTF, you're missing my point. It's one thing to state something a bit softer to one group than you might to another. That's not what Crash is doing.

I read it before it was edited -- about rubbing one off. Typical Crash. I ignored it like I ignore a lot of other things that go on here.

I think you are missing *my* point about it all.

Sort of an aside, but Antonio Gramsci was a Marxist who realized that Marxism could never succeed in building a world wide peace through bloodshed. The bloody revolutions in the name of the brotherhood of man were too contradictory. There is a lesson there, if you want it.
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Impersonating another poster and lying to the forum about it -- you, Larry, are the one disrespecting the forum.


I didn't lie about it, dumbass.

You don't like me, Ax. I don't like you either. You're a spiteful little turd who reminds me of a grade school hall monitor. I really don't care what you think of me, so what say you stick it up your ass.

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Larry, I don't comprehend how you are saying that "Crash Test" was innocent. From what I have seen, the first post was innocent enough, yes, but then you as yourself tried to stir up trouble for Crash, saying that he had created the sock as a way of causing trouble when you knew damn well yourself that it was a lie. You purposely lied to cause this trouble for him. That is more than wrong and you know it, whether you want to admit it or not. No matter how much you dislike someone, it is not okay to do such a thing. Furthermore, childish name-calling is also not okay. I'm sure that you can think of better ways of expressing your feelings about someone other than resorting to childish name-calling or by intentionally trying to cause trouble for that person by doing what you did. And if you really can't stand him, just IGNORE him. Simple and easy. Don't read his threads, don't read his posts, don't lie about things that he has posted (I have yet to see a link to this supposed disrespectful thing he said to Peggy, Peggy herself says it doesn't exist as far as she knows, and so far no other member of this forum at all has acknowledged that s/he had seen such a post. It must have just been you to see it, if it even exists at all).

As far as Apple goes, perhaps it wasn't the best thing to do to out you publicly, but you shouldn't have jumped on her for saying that this GR (what did I miss in my absence?) should have been just as easily identifiable. It's hard to ID socks even when you can see the IPs of posters, especially if they don't post frequently or they have continually changing IP addresses. Posting from different internet connections or different computers, for example, will give you a different address. It was so incredibly easy to identify you as Crash Test because, as others have said, you posted as Crash Test and then as yourself one right after the other. As Apple herself said, you didn't even have to scroll to see that the IPs matched up. They are marked on every post made. Your jumping all over Ax was also highly uncalled for, as was your jumping all over Riley. Ax isn't a mod and doesn't have any more ability here than you do, and neither one of them is stupid, as you seemed to make out Riley to be.

Crash Test is banned. Please stop threatening to harass other members / actually harassing other members to cause trouble for them, or you may be the next banned, or at least suspended for a while. If you don't like CrashTest, just ignore him and don't let him get to you.
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Ah, I get it. Even though I made it extremely obvious that I was the sock, I'm the bad guy. Apple was a "little bit wrong", but I'm the bad guy. Crash has spent months disrespecting the entire forum, but unless I just sit still and ignore it, I'm the bad guy.

And in all your writing, not once did you call Crashtest to task. All you did is make excuses for him.

I don't care if you can't find where he was disrespectful to Peggy or not. I saw it.



Ban away, Ace. I've about had all the "head up your ass" sh!t that goes on here anyway.

It's all yours Crash. Write some more posts about beating your meat.

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Mar 6 2008, 11:02 PM
Ah, I get it. Even though I made it extremely obvious that I was the sock, I'm the bad guy. Apple was a "little bit wrong", but I'm the bad guy. Crash has spent months disrespecting the entire forum, but unless I just sit still and ignore it, I'm the bad guy.

Ban away, Ace.

Think what you will, Larry, but I see you are the only one here stating that he is disrespecting anybody. Everyone else says that they realize that Crash has a certain personality and that they let well enough alone and skip over it to the next thing. You do NOT have to open any thread that you don't want to. When you see a thread that was created by Crash, simply DO NOT OPEN IT. Nobody is forcing you to do so, it is of your own free will.

And intentionally trying to cause trouble to fall unto another member through lies and deceit is bad. It's wrong. I don't get why you think that it's okay. :confused:
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Everyone else says that they realize that Crash has a certain personality and that they let well enough alone and skip over it to the next thing.


Everyone???? Seems to me that most people just didn't say anything. And you take that to mean that *everyone* agrees with your opinion on it?

I've got news for you. "Everyone" doesn't see it that way. And you'd best figure that one out.

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Larry
Mar 6 2008, 11:02 PM
I don't care if you can't find where he was disrespectful to Peggy or not. I saw it.

Saw it where? Did anybody else see it? I think that if such a thing really happened, someone would have come forward to back you up on it by now. It would have been a horrible and disgraceful thing after what she's been through, and I don't think that anybody would have a problem coming forward to your side on that matter despite your actions. Pretty low to fabricate such a thing. I won't believe anything other than fabrication of it unless you show me proof, or another well known member comes forward to verify what you are saying.
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And intentionally trying to cause trouble to fall unto another member through lies and deceit is bad. It's wrong. I don't get why you think that it's okay.


And I don't get where you get the idea that I used "lies and deceit". I didn't try to hide my tracks, and I didn't deny who it was when it was pointed out.

I'm tired of Crash's sh!t. Do something about that instead of jumping my ass.

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Mar 7 2008, 02:15 AM
Larry
Mar 6 2008, 11:02 PM
I don't care if you can't find where he was disrespectful to Peggy or not. I saw it.

Saw it where? Did anybody else see it? I think that if such a thing really happened, someone would have come forward to back you up on it by now. It would have been a horrible and disgraceful thing after what she's been through, and I don't think that anybody would have a problem coming forward to your side on that matter despite your actions. Pretty low to fabricate such a thing. I won't believe anything other than fabrication of it unless you show me proof, or another well known member comes forward to verify what you are saying.

After three full pages of Crash and his "woman" crap again, Peggy tries to tell him that other people in this world have real problems, and he needs to get out into it. Instead of paying attention to what Peggy said to him, he fluffs it off and turns it into another "me" pity party.

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It's not that it was all that blatant, it's day after day after day, month after month of the same sh!t, and he was so absorbed with himself that his response was disrespectful. I would have let it drop, but he came back with two threads about jerking off and hard ons.

I'm sick of it. And I'm getting sick of watching everyone keep making excuses for him, you included. Have you addressed my report of abuse with him yet? Of course not. All you've done is defend him. Almost everyone here has, over time, publicly expressed their frustration with him. Yet you now tell me that everyone just sees him as having a "different personality" and ignore him. Well, that dog won't hunt. All you have to do is read. There are a *lot* of people here who have expressed their frustration with Crash - and his "different personality" is his justification for his behavior, and what he uses to get away with things. He doesn't show that "different personality" on WTF - only here.

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Not that I want to hear either, but I'd much rather hear a man call someone a c********r, than hear a boy talk about their whacking off habits. I saw Crash's thread from before, and I can't believe he would be that immature to brag about masturbating on a forum where women are members.

That's just me.
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And for the record, I'm not Cashchest.

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Actually, it's me. First time I used a sock, and messed up (posted as the sock instead of me).

I was going to post something witty as the sock, but forget it.
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No, I think you were just fine. And you were right - what Crash writes is offensive. Something is wrong when someone can repeatedly start threads about jerking off and then when someone speaks up about it the moderators threaten the ones who spoke up and defend the one who is writing the posts.

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So Crash starts a thread asking what looks to me like an innocent question (having seen the link to the thread he posted earlier on in the thread), which you do not have to pay any attention to at all if you don't want to, and it's disrespectful. But then you personally attacking him and trying to cause trouble for him and resorting to childish name-calling against him is A-Okay. Alright, got it now.

As for the link that you (finally) gave me, I don't see any disrespect there, either. Whether or not Crash understands what Justme is saying, he is still expressing his lingering feelings for this girl. He doesn't have to take anyone's advice or even listen to it, and though that does make the original question pointless, it's ultimately up to him, and he chooses to keep a lingering feeling for her.

I personally very rarely read Crash's threads. Simple and easy. I find many of them annoying myself, but not ban-worthy. He's not hurting anybody or causing any disruption to the normal flow of the board, as far as I can see. If you believe him to be a troll, don't feed him. If it comes to where he IS a disruption and posts pity posts within other people's threads for his own personal attention, thus disrupting those threads, that would be ban-worthy. For some examples of highly disruptive and ban-worthy posting, go back a few hundred pages and see if you can find any of Comme Le Vent's stuff before he was warned, suspended, and then ultimately banned for the continued behavior.
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Mar 7 2008, 08:10 AM
Think what you will, Larry, but I see you are the only one here stating that he is disrespecting anybody. Everyone else says that they realize that Crash has a certain personality and that they let well enough alone and skip over it to the next thing. You do NOT have to open any thread that you don't want to. When you see a thread that was created by Crash, simply DO NOT OPEN IT. Nobody is forcing you to do so, it is of your own free will.

jgoo, I also think that Crash is disrespectful, and if you will excuse me, "certain personality," my derriere. He is consistently disrespectful and vulgar towards women, about women, towards us as the forum (Frank got it spot on when he described Crash's antics as treating us like an ant farm) and I feel that he has nothing of value to add, which I have stated before. Others have questioned my right to judge whether or not someone's posts add to this forum. Although I certainly don't agree with his language or style, which I have also stated before, Larry points out that posts about masterbation and the daily posts about his damned woman are not really quality reading material.

Regarding Crash's reply to Peggy, at the time I thought it was very thoughtless. She - as have we all - tolerated months of women threads and in this one posted a gentle reminder that he could perhaps remember that there are other important and more serious things to think about, and whilst his words were certainly not disrepectful, his general attitude and the way he immediately swung the topic back onto himself with not so much as an acknowledgement for Peggy's hint, was.

Crash says that his women remarks are obviously in jest. I do not get this evidence; I find them vile. He posted something to me a while ago regarding my boyfriend and likening him to "any other guy" out there, meaning he is as vile as Crash. Posts like this and his daily rubbish littering the forum, especially as he knows that we do not appreciate them, do nothing for this place. I would be ashamed to invite my friends here with page 1 being so evidently littered with carp.

As for not opening any of his threads: why should we have to avoid his threads? You say, "When you see a thread that was created by Crash, simply DO NOT OPEN IT." This implies that you and others acknowledge that the content of the said thread is not worth reading. In this case, why is it still there? I'd like to think that this is a place where I can read and contribute to anything here, and when a surprising proportion of threads are started by Crash, that narrows my choices down slightly, which I do not appreciate.
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As far as Apple goes, perhaps it wasn't the best thing to do to out you publicly, but you shouldn't have jumped on her for saying that this GR (what did I miss in my absence?)


Since you have obviously missed a lot and aren't aware of much, I'll bring you up to speed. I was repeatedly the target of a vicious sock puppet for *months*, who called me everything but a white guy (which I'm not, actually...). This sock was vile, ugly, and extremely mean spirited, and very obviously created for the sole purpose of attacking me. It got so bad that almost everyone was asking that he be banned, most wanted him exposed. Instead of doing anything, Apple attacked me as well, and did nothing to the sock. She refused to ban him, and refused to out him/her.

Next, Crash has for months made a mockery out of this forum. He has, by his own admission, done it on purpose. He's even gone so far as to apologize for doing it, but then turns right around and goes right back to doing it again. You say that everyone thinks he just has a "different personality" - but if you read the threads of the last 3 or 4 months you'll find that many people have asked him to stop it, and expressed their frustration with him for doing it.

Now we come to the part where you want to use the excuse that you don't see anyone else speaking up - but look what happened when someone did .... you defended Crash, and threatened to ban me. Most people here realize that it's a losing proposition to speak out about this kind of thing, because it will end up just like it did here - the perpetrator gets defended, the one who speaks out gets jumped, and then threatened with being banned.

I don't care if you ban me or not. There will be plenty of people who will tell you that I contribute to this forum, and Crash does not. You almost had a complete walkout here a couple of months ago because of this sort of sh!t.
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Regarding Crash's reply to Peggy, at the time I thought it was very thoughtless. She - as have we all - tolerated months of women threads and in this one posted a gentle reminder that he could perhaps remember that there are other important and more serious things to think about, and whilst his words were certainly not disrepectful, his general attitude and the way he immediately swung the topic back onto himself with not so much as an acknowledgement for Peggy's hint, was.


Thank you, Sarah. You pegged it squarely.

Jgoo, you are still making excuses, still justifying Crash's actions. Telling us to just not read his threads is a cop out. I could just as easily say that if you didn't like Crash Test's posts, then don't read them. Or if you don't like mine, don't read them.

You'd better figure this one out fast, guy. There's a lot more hostility towards Crash than you realize. You keep justifying things and making excuses and turning the blame back on me, and this one is going to blow up in your face.

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Sarah, as I have admitted, I rarely if ever read a Crash thread. Do other people read them? Yes, they do. Do other people respond to them? Yes, they do. Therefore there must be some sort of 'value' to them.

I'll finish this thought tomorrow. Bed time for now. Nite.
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f it comes to where he IS a disruption and posts pity posts within other people's threads for his own personal attention, thus disrupting those threads, that would be ban-worthy.


Just thought I'd save that one for posterity, just in case anyone wants to take the time to go back and quote for Jgoo any of the many, many examples of Crash doing this. I think that would be most enlightening....
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Mar 7 2008, 03:21 AM
Sarah, as I have admitted, I rarely if ever read a Crash thread. Do other people read them? Yes, they do. Do other people respond to them? Yes, they do. Therefore there must be some sort of 'value' to them.

I'll finish this thought tomorrow. Bed time for now. Nite.

More justification, Jgoo. You aren't looking for the truth, you're just trying to justify that which you want to justify.

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