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Moderators - please do something about Larry.
Topic Started: Mar 6 2008, 06:50 PM (5,167 Views)
Mikhailoh
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kenny
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Larry I think apple might be referring to me.
That's the problem with her hang up about using names.

It is absurd to write such things without even stating who they are dircted at.
Almost as if it is not unnice as long as you don't name a name. :wacko:

Kind of like shooting a gun into a crowd.

Perhaps she'll tell us who her comment is directed at. (Otherwise why say anything?)

Sometimes apple speaks in a kind of shortcut code, somewhat like Norbert does.
It leaves me wondering what she means.

Mik, I'll cut you some slack today.
My magic wand is in the shop.
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Larry
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his liberal use of sockpuppets to ridicule those he disagrees with,


Ax, show me where I've used another sock puppet to ridicule anyone. Show me, or shut the hell up.
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Mikhailoh
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kenny
Mar 7 2008, 06:42 PM
Larry I think apple is referring to me.

It's hard to tell.
Sometimes apple speaks in a kind of shortcut code, somewhat like Norbert does.
It leaves me wondering what she means.

Mik, I'll cut you some slack today.
My magic wand is in the shop.



Cluck cluck, chicken...


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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Moderation and censorship are normally declared unnecessary, unneeded, and unwanted by most here, most of the time. It's not until somebody gets offended that this cry suddenly makes a U-turn and something is demanded to be done. Doing so will make that person happy, as well as possibly some others, while at the same time upsetting others that such an act has taken place, while even still other remain indifferent to the whole thing.

I could take away Crash's ability to create new threads, but that would be a form of censorship. So would banning him. He's not spamming his advertisements, he's not drooling "aaaaaaaaaaaaa" posts all over the place, and he's not randomly going around and being rude to other members like some of the previously expelled posters have done. I don't see him being disruptive of other people's threads at all, either. He contains it all within his own threads, and it's not my fault if people want to keep his stuff on the top of the post list by responding to it. If it truly weren't worthy of comment, then no comment should be made. I just don't understand.

And yes, i do agree, with what I have seen, that Crash does have issues with treating women with respect. Whether in jest or not, he keeps it, as I said, within his own threads, and does not disrupt the thread of anybody else with it. He should be free to voice his opinions, just as anybody else here. Larry too, though lying in order to cause trouble crossed the line, and childish name-calling and pouncing on people who don't deserve it and have nothing to do with the situation (Riley and Ax, for example) shouldn't be happening, if he wants to say that Crash should be banned and list reasons for it in a mature way, all the more power to him. Doesn't mean that it's going to happen, but he can certainly voice why he thinks it should happen (in a mature way) if he so desires.

Crash, as far as I can see, is not a true troll by any means, and is not ban-worthy, for the reasons I listed above. Take Larry's analogy of a room of people trying to enjoy each other's company. Turn that room into a building. Each room within the building is a thread. Each poster in the thread is in that room. Of course they are free to roam the building and enter any other room they want to, or they can skip a room if they please and go onto the next one. Crash is staying to his own room for this stuff (his woman threads, omiksE, etc), and when entering into someone else's room, I have not seen him bring that other stuff with him to cause a disruption within that other room.

However, I too could be easily blinded to this situation because of my extended absence. I am just going on what I have seen from my return, and from what I remember before my departure and my brief moments of presence between. During any one of my extended off times from the forum this could have happened (and the fact that I do not read every single thread anyway) and I would be oblivious. But as I said, from what I have seen Crash is not a true troll to me.









EDIT: I see that Ax has already posted a lot of the ideas I placed here while I was composing this one.
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kenny
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So it is okay to say things that others just don't want to hear?

Whoda thunk! :doh:

Well done jgoo.
My faith in TNCR is restored.

This reminds me of the ACLU standing up for the rights of folks who say unpopular things. :thumb:
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jgoo
Mar 7 2008, 03:55 PM
Doesn't mean that it's going to happen...

You rock, jgoo. I completely respect you and your way of administrating this place. We all owe you a lot.* :thumb:








*(metaphorically, not financially -- that is not intended as a promise to pay a financial debt and should not be construed as such).
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Feel free to send him money via PayPal. I ain't getting in your way. :P
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Larry
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For the record - I do not want Crash banned. He *is* trolling, but he can stop. He can start showing the same respect to people here that he shows on WTF.

There were several reasons for my calling him out like I did. Sure, I'm tired of watching him make a mockery of the forum, playing with people, using them for his own personal amusement. But while Peggy didn't (and I'm glad she didn't) take Crash's remark to her the way I did, I'm not the only one who saw his comment to her as tasteless and insulting. Sarah saw it the exact same way I did.

What I want is for Crash to participate the way everyone else does. If he wants to make a crack about his little pecker, have at it. Just don't start threads about it. Don't play people for fools. That's what I'm tired of. If he's trying to be clever or funny, do that and don't try to pretend it's real to garner sympathy and advice from caring people just to laugh at them behind their backs.

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Renauda
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Feel free to send him money via PayPal.


We don't have Paypal this side of the border.
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ivorythumper
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Just send me a check and I'll take care of it.
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kenny
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Larry
Mar 7 2008, 03:13 PM
For the record - I do not want Crash banned. He *is* trolling, but he can stop. He can start showing the same respect to people here that he shows on WTF.

There were several reasons for my calling him out like I did. Sure, I'm tired of watching him make a mockery of the forum, playing with people, using them for his own personal amusement. But while Peggy didn't (and I'm glad she didn't) take Crash's remark to her the way I did, I'm not the only one who saw his comment to her as tasteless and insulting. Sarah saw it the exact same way I did.

What I want is for Crash to participate the way everyone else does. If he wants to make a crack about his little pecker, have at it. Just don't start threads about it. Don't play people for fools. That's what I'm tired of. If he's trying to be clever or funny, do that and don't try to pretend it's real to garner sympathy and advice from caring people just to laugh at them behind their backs.

Larry, you can't control others.
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Larry
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Kenny, dammit - this isn't about "controlling others". This is about having taken all I could take. You may think sitting on your hands is the way to do things, but I don't. If you piss on my shoes, you're going to hear about it. That's not trying to "control" you - that's telling you to stop pissing on my shoes.

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kenny
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Larry why are you so stubborn?
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kenny
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Larry
Mar 7 2008, 03:19 PM
Kenny, dammit - this isn't about "controlling others". This is about having taken all I could take. You may think sitting on your hands is the way to do things, but I don't. If you piss on my shoes, you're going to hear about it. That's not trying to "control" you - that's telling you to stop pissing on my shoes.

Stop putting your foot in Crash's pee path by reading his posts.

Ignore him.

Easy.
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HOLY CARP!!!
ivorythumper
Mar 7 2008, 04:16 PM
Just send me a check and I'll take care of it.

Yeah right, you and the next Nigerian.
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Larry
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Kenny, why are you so stubborn?

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Larry
Mar 7 2008, 03:13 PM
For the record - I do not want Crash banned. He *is* trolling, but he can stop. He can start showing the same respect to people here that he shows on WTF.

There were several reasons for my calling him out like I did. Sure, I'm tired of watching him make a mockery of the forum, playing with people, using them for his own personal amusement. But while Peggy didn't (and I'm glad she didn't) take Crash's remark to her the way I did, I'm not the only one who saw his comment to her as tasteless and insulting. Sarah saw it the exact same way I did.

What I want is for Crash to participate the way everyone else does. If he wants to make a crack about his little pecker, have at it. Just don't start threads about it. Don't play people for fools. That's what I'm tired of. If he's trying to be clever or funny, do that and don't try to pretend it's real to garner sympathy and advice from caring people just to laugh at them behind their backs.

I appreciate highly that you said this in a controlled and mature matter. From what I've heard, though as annoying as Crash can be (again in his own threads), he has also shown much respect and wisdom and has offered great value to others when it's not in his own thread. If people want to be suckered in then so be it. It's not my fault, it's not your fault, it's not even Crash's fault. People have a choice whether or not to enter his room of the building, or anyone's, at that. The doors to these rooms are labeled with a hint of what to find on the inside. Furthermore, they are also labeled with the owner of the room, giving the person deciding on whether or not to enter how little or how big of a grain of salt to take with them, should they ultimately decide to enter. So let him say what he wants in his own room, no matter how annoying, and as long as he keeps it there, and doesn't take it with him into somebody else's room, then what's the problem? Just let the people of that room be and find another room to entertain yourself in. There are over 900 floors (pages) of rooms to be entered, with new rooms appearing all the time.
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Larry
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kenny
Mar 7 2008, 06:21 PM
Larry
Mar 7 2008, 03:19 PM
Kenny, dammit - this isn't about "controlling others". This is about having taken all I could take. You may think sitting on your hands is the way to do things, but I don't. If you piss on my shoes, you're going to hear about it. That's not trying to "control" you - that's telling you to stop pissing on my shoes.

Stop putting your foot in Crash's pee path by reading his posts.

Ignore him.

Easy.

No.

You didn't seem to feel a need to ignore Dewey when you didn't like what he was posting. You didn't seem to feel a need to ignore people who said something about homosexuals you didn't like. Well, I don't like seeing people used. Deal with it.

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Larry
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From what I've heard, though as annoying as Crash can be (again in his own threads), he has also shown much respect and wisdom and has offered great value to others when it's not in his own thread.


Please share an example of *that* one with us...
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Larry
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So let him say what he wants in his own room, no matter how annoying, and as long as he keeps it there, and doesn't take it with him into somebody else's room, then what's the problem? Just let the people of that room be and find another room to entertain yourself in. There are over 900 floors (pages) of rooms to be entered, with new rooms appearing all the time.


So your solution is to just let him take advantage of people and those of us who don't like seeing that happen are to just shut up. Is that it?
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Larry
Mar 7 2008, 03:35 PM
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From what I've heard, though as annoying as Crash can be (again in his own threads), he has also shown much respect and wisdom and has offered great value to others when it's not in his own thread.


Please share an example of *that* one with us...

People have said it in this very thread. That's how I know.

I don't have time for a full response, I'm about to miss my bus to work, but I'll be back later.
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kenny
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Larry
Mar 7 2008, 03:34 PM

You didn't seem to feel a need to ignore Dewey when you didn't like what he was posting. You didn't seem to feel a need to ignore people who said something about homosexuals you didn't like. Well, I don't like seeing people used. Deal with it.

Sure, I post my opinion, but then I let it go and get on with my day.

You obsess.

Dewey (and others) overreacted. Their sensitivities are not my fault.

I didn't stalk.

No comparison Lar.
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