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| Here's a flight I wouldn't have wanted to be on.. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 6 2008, 12:24 PM (482 Views) | |
| Phlebas | Mar 6 2008, 12:24 PM Post #1 |
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Bull-Carp
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxDVq2gGgaA&feature=bz301 |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Mar 6 2008, 12:33 PM Post #2 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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That's where you and I differ; I think it would have been awesome!! |
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| ***musical princess*** | Mar 6 2008, 12:42 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Holy sh1t. How terrified would you be?! The pilot must having been craping himself!! x |
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| Copper | Mar 6 2008, 01:05 PM Post #4 |
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Shortstop
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It looks like they got caught by a really bad gust at a bad time. Let this be a lesson, you should be using your ailerons to correct for the cross-wind, not a crab. This may be different in an A320, but you can see what happened. He was using the crab angle to hold the center line, and when the thrust is reduced to descend, and you kick the rudder left you are going to get pushed left. Then the gust picked up the right wing and made it even worse. He did do a good job of recovering and going back up instead of trying to save it. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Frank_W | Mar 6 2008, 01:11 PM Post #5 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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I wonder how long it took the pilot and copilot to dig the seat covers out of their asses....
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| lb1 | Mar 6 2008, 01:12 PM Post #6 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Aren't 320's weak in the rudder section? lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| JBryan | Mar 6 2008, 01:29 PM Post #7 |
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I am the grey one
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They probably both snatched up a few square feet of upholstery. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Phlebas | Mar 6 2008, 01:35 PM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Here's one explanation - NSFW. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rbZg_Y3AgY&feature=related |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Frank_W | Mar 6 2008, 01:41 PM Post #9 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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I've had some close calls in ultralights. The most memorable, to date: I was flying out of my backyard. To the right was a massive tree line, to my left, power lines. To the front of me, more power lines, but far enough away that by the time I was airborne, I would clear them without any problem. One evening, it looked to be dead calm, so I hoisted the windsock. Nothing... Perfect! So I warmed up the engine, then cut it off and laid out the chute, sorted the lines, strapped myself in, fired the engine up, and took off. The problem was, I wasn't gaining any altitude. WTF?? I was slowly, inexorably being drawn towards the trees. I was giving it full right rudder, and still couldn't get out of it. What was happening, was that I was caught in a downdraft, and as the wind flowed over the tree line and curled under, it was pulling me in, just like an undertow at the beach. Finally, it released me, just when I was certain I was going to end up crashing into the trees. When it did, it slingshotted me out and up, so that I nearly did a barrel-roll. I was looking down and couldn't see the ground, because I was looking at the underside of the chute! The cart dropped towards the ground and when it did, it re-loaded the lines. At that point, I saw the ground rushing up at me on the right, and I thought about killing the master switch and taking my licks, but I thought, "F'ck that..." and kept the throttle hammered. I was able to straighten out, and suddenly, there were the power lines that ran in front of my neighbor's house, and they looked like they were right on top of me. I was finally gaining altitude at a pretty good clip, and just when I was sure I was going to eat the power lines, I cleared them literally, by mere inches. After that, I burned up to 1,000' agl, trimmed out, and then sat there for a bit, getting myself together. In the space of less than 30 seconds, there were three distinct moments when I was sure I was going to crash and burn. Scared me...
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| OperaTenor | Mar 6 2008, 01:41 PM Post #10 |
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Pisa-Carp
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I didn't know there was another way. How does it work using ailerons? I agree, aborting the landing was the only way to recover. |
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| Frank_W | Mar 6 2008, 01:43 PM Post #11 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Copper | Mar 6 2008, 02:07 PM Post #12 |
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The idea is that you lower the wing into the wind - in this case the right wing since the wind is coming from the right. This does a couple things, first it allows you to more or less keep the nose pointed in the direction you are going - this is important when you touch down. It also lets you keep a more stable attitude during approach and landing. You don't have to make an abrupt adjustment just before touching down. The crab (pointing the nose at the wind) can be a little easier to use, the problem is that if you keep the crab angle all the way to the ground your wheels would be trying to roll sideways when you touch down, this is bad. To prevent this you have to make an abrupt maneuver just at touch down to get the nose pointed down the runway. It can be done but it is a trickier than making the more stable approach. A cross wind landing is always tricky and a combination of the two methods can be used. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Frank_W | Mar 6 2008, 02:25 PM Post #13 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Agreed, Copper. I had one of those nasty landings when I was taking flying lessons in Cessnas. It's pretty tough on the ol' landing gear. LOL |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| OperaTenor | Mar 6 2008, 02:28 PM Post #14 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Oh yeah, that makes sense - kind of like banking into the wind, as opposed to skidding into it. Thanks. Although, is it conceivable the wind might be so strong it would require too much of a bank to be practicable? |
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| Jolly | Mar 6 2008, 02:29 PM Post #15 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I've been in a landing not quite that bad, but bad enough to break the overhead luggage bin doors, flinging luggage everywhere and dropping the masks in your lap. Trust me...you don't want to be there.... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Frank_W | Mar 6 2008, 02:30 PM Post #16 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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The method that Copper described, keeps you from having kick the tail around, right before the wheels hit. The wind acts a lot like ocean waves. Wait a little, and it will calm down. If it's dodgy, make a go-around. |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Copper | Mar 6 2008, 02:36 PM Post #17 |
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Yes, I think that was part of the problem for that A300 in Germany. And since you brought up this line of questioning... I may as well come clean and admit that the FAA gave me an instrument rating this morning. It’s 1.5 hours of grueling oral questions followed by 1.5 hours of incredibly demanding flying. The very difficult written test was passed a couple months ago. And now I can legally fly into the clouds without even looking out the window. The first thing the examiner said when he signed me off was, “OK, now that you can legally fly into weather – don’t do it.” Good advice, it’s better to avoid it. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Frank_W | Mar 6 2008, 02:37 PM Post #18 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Congratulations!! How many hours do you have? VFR/IFR? What kind of planes?
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| OperaTenor | Mar 6 2008, 02:41 PM Post #19 |
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Congratulations, Copper! You should announce that at WTF, too. PJ will be glad to hear it when he gets back. |
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| Copper | Mar 6 2008, 02:42 PM Post #20 |
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I'm right about 150 hours, you can get an instrument rating in fewer hours, but that is kind of a low number. I have 43 hours of flight by reference to instruments (not looking out the window). The minimum is 40. That time has mostly been in Cessna 172 P and R models. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Frank_W | Mar 6 2008, 03:08 PM Post #21 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Sweet... I started out in a 150, and logged a few hours in the 172, as well. I only logged about 15 hours, total. There was a bunch of small-town political shenanigans, and the FBO was sacked for no good reason. All the instructors walked, so there I was without an instructor. The new FBO took one look at my logbook, and said, "Well, damn... You're about ready to solo, boy!" I wasn't, and it bugged me that he made that judgment from looking at my logbook, rather than how I did behind the controls. I didn't pursue it any further... Anyway, I decided that ultralights were what really got me excited. In the space of 9 months, I racked up 80 hours in the cockpit of my powered parachute. If I wasn't at work and it wasn't windy, I was flying. ![]() Hamming it up in my winter flying togs:
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Free Rider | Mar 6 2008, 03:42 PM Post #22 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Congratulations, Copper. This addiction can be very expensive. I assume you have heard of the $500 hamburger? |
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| Copper | Mar 6 2008, 04:31 PM Post #23 |
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I've eaten a few. And yes it is a money pit. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Free Rider | Mar 6 2008, 06:05 PM Post #24 |
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Fulla-Carp
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seriously...congrats...even if it is a money pit. Flying is sublime. You only live once! I havenever tried for my pilot's license, but it is one of those things that I would just love to do. I am a aviation buff...I like airplanes, thier history, the pilots who flew them. It all is fascinating to me. |
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| Copper | Mar 6 2008, 06:56 PM Post #25 |
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I've been hooked since I watched Alan Shepard's first space flight. It took a number of years before all the right ingredients came together. You can get "discovery" flights at you local airport for probably under $100. They'l bring you up and give you a feel for the pilot's seat for 20 or 30 minutes. If you want a feel for the material you have to study you can find practice tests here: http://www.sportys.com/takeoff/ And there are of course plenty of magazines and books available. I went through a number of books over a few years before I finally started the flying. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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How many hours do you have? VFR/IFR? What kind of planes?


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