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Why is Global Warming a . . .
Topic Started: Mar 4 2008, 04:20 PM (1,297 Views)
QuirtEvans
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JBryan
Mar 7 2008, 08:20 AM
Gee, Quirt, if that is your threshold for "name calling" or being insulting you owe me and others an apology a thousand times over. However, I don't really think you need to apologize to me as I have always found your rather brusque manner to be kind of endearing. It is like anti-charm that is somehow charming. You certainly should not have a thin skin if you are going to be that way, though.

It's not a thin skin, JB. I thought I'd made it clear.

I can dish the insults right back at IT. However, many people here are turned off by it, and, frankly, even I find the insult-fests a little tiresome.

I spent many months ignoring IT. We eventually reached a rapprochement where we basically agreed to be civil to each other.

IT wasn't being civil. If I responded in kind, the thread would have headed downhill. It's my impression that most people around here don't want that sort of thing to happen.

So, I am pointing out his trangression, in the context of attempting to be respectful to those who prefer not to watch the flame wars, and in the context of what I thought was an agreement not to behave that way any more.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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I would not have even taken umbrage at such a comment but if you felt insulted who am I to say. :shrug:
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Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
lb1
Mar 7 2008, 05:39 AM
Aqua Letifer
Mar 7 2008, 05:25 AM
All the yard clippings, leaves, mulch and other organic material generates more waste than you realize.  Yard waste accounts for about 1/6 of the total municipal solid waste dumped onto landfills each year.  Many states have banned yard waste from landfills for exactly this reason.

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That is why I burn mine.

lb

^_^

That can be bad too, y'know, depending. Lot of counties have no-burn laws.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mar 7 2008, 05:47 AM
lb1
Mar 7 2008, 05:39 AM
Aqua Letifer
Mar 7 2008, 05:25 AM
All the yard clippings, leaves, mulch and other organic material generates more waste than you realize.  Yard waste accounts for about 1/6 of the total municipal solid waste dumped onto landfills each year.  Many states have banned yard waste from landfills for exactly this reason.

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That is why I burn mine.

lb

^_^

That can be bad too, y'know, depending. Lot of counties have no-burn laws.

Just Kidding :wink:

Our city started a mulch system a few years ago. All yard waste in the city goes into this huge compost pile and when it is ready citizens can come back and get it to use. What isn't used is sold to farmers.

lb
My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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Frank_W
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Mar 7 2008, 07:47 AM
That can be bad too, y'know, depending. Lot of counties have no-burn laws.

Even for witches?
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Aqua Letifer
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lb1
Mar 7 2008, 05:51 AM

Just Kidding :wink:

Our city started a mulch system a few years ago. All yard waste in the city goes into this huge compost pile and when it is ready citizens can come back and get it to use. What isn't used is sold to farmers.

lb

That's a rockin' program! They have something similar back home but y'know, people around here.... buncha slackasses.
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Aqua Letifer
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Mar 7 2008, 05:52 AM
Aqua Letifer
Mar 7 2008, 07:47 AM
That can be bad too, y'know, depending.  Lot of counties have no-burn laws.

Even for witches?

Well, not necessarily.

You can burn 'em, but the sulfurous ash is considered a point source, so you need to buy air permits and carbon credits in order to do so.
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Larry
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so you need to buy air permits and carbon credits in order to do so.


Part of the reason this global warming crap is being pushed so hard.
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Frank_W
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Yes. So many witches that need burninatin'!
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Aqua Letifer
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Larry
Mar 7 2008, 06:01 AM
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so you need to buy air permits and carbon credits in order to do so.


Part of the reason this global warming crap is being pushed so hard.

Not really. Permits and cap-and-trade programs are being supported by industry. It was really their push for that, rather than a flat cap, which is what the enviro-hippies wanted.
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Mar 7 2008, 05:54 AM
lb1
Mar 7 2008, 05:51 AM

Just Kidding :wink:

Our city started a mulch system a few years ago. All yard waste in the city goes into this huge compost pile and when it is ready citizens can come back and get it to use. What isn't used is sold to farmers.

lb

That's a rockin' program! They have something similar back home but y'know, people around here.... buncha slackasses.

For our size, the city is pretty damn green, and have been before it was fashionable.

We were one of the first towns in the country to have a municiple sponserd curbside pickup recycling program. I was the chairman of the committee that organized it. This reduced the landfill waste by incredible tons per year. Once it was up and running we mentor'd other small communities to help them set up similar programs.

lb
My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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QuirtEvans
Mar 7 2008, 04:02 AM
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neither you nor Quirt seemed capable of actually arguing against the points ...


This is the trigger point where threads involving IT and me generally devolve into pissing contests. IT, you may claim that you never start the name-calling, but right there, that's where you did.

Before this turns into the usual ugly-fest, I'm out.

What name calling? I am discussing ideas.

Did you argue against the point? No. Why not?

Either you could or you could not. Since you *did not*, I have to assume that it was a throw away comment intending to call me out on hypocrisy. However, you did not make any case for that.

Either than or my point hit too close to the bone, and you reacted by trying to go after me rather than the point I was making.

Look Quirt, its OK if you want to make hit and run snarky comments that have absolutely no substance behind them, but if you do don't be surprised that you are called out on the lack of substance.

If you don't want an ugly fest, don't start them. I'm not interesting in them either, and I think my response above shows a good deal of restraint. I never said you incapable of arguing, I was getting to the idea that you seemed incapable of arguing *against the point that I was making*.

Pax?
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Mar 7 2008, 05:25 AM
Mikhailoh
Mar 7 2008, 04:58 AM
Let me ask one question - how many of you use fertilizers and weed killers on your yard?  Grub control?  How many times a year?  All this junk goes directly into the water system. 

I'm with Quirt and whoever else said it - it makes no sense to rail on about CO2 if the water is not going to be fit to drink, which is increasingly the case.  Cincinnati water has so much chlorine it is like drinking a swimming pool.  I won't touch the stuff.

:rolleyes:

First of all, I can assure you that fertilizers, weed killers, grub control or other chemicals do not make it into your drinking water.

It is a federal requirement that drinking water undergoes at least primary and secondary treatment before it can even be made available for consumption. Flocculation chambers, air floatation devices, carbon filters, ozone tanks, and yes, chlorine treatment are just some of the methods water treatment facilities use to get your water clean. That chlorine taste doesn't come from your fertilizer. It comes from the plant; most likely your water district uses chlorination as a secondary disinfectant.

Besides, it's not just the fertilizer that impacts the environment. All the yard clippings, leaves, mulch and other organic material generates more waste than you realize. Yard waste accounts for about 1/6 of the total municipal solid waste dumped onto landfills each year. Many states have banned yard waste from landfills for exactly this reason.

And it makes perfect sense to grill on about CO2 and the crappy water if you understand the system. What you're saying is the equivalent of "who cares about all these school shootings, we have all these drug busts to worry about!" Air and water pollution are so totally different from one another they have to be given equal consideration.

CO2 emissions are important because it's a greenhouse gas. (I don't think we have to get into that right now, so for now I'll just leave it at that.) Chemical fertilizers and other lawn care products mess with the biochemical oxygen demand of waterways. Both are different issues but equally important.

AL,

Agriculture chemicals are screwing up our water system many times worse than CO2 is affecting the air. The increased use of crops for Ethanol is going to accelerate the chemical problem. Chesapeake Bay is almost dead it the primary reason is agriculture chemicals.

If a farmer practices crop rotation the need for chemicals is reduced. When they stop rotating crops to produce an ethanol crop every year the chemical use will increase greatly.

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My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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