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| Finally! A democrat willing to speak the truth...; about the Clintons | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 10 2008, 05:38 PM (259 Views) | |
| Larry | Jan 10 2008, 05:38 PM Post #1 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Hillary herself, with her thin, spotty record, tangled psychological baggage, and maundering blowhard of a husband, is also a mighty big roll of the dice. She is a brittle, relentless manipulator with few stable core values who shuffles through useful personalities like a card shark ("Cue the tears!"). Forget all her little gold crosses: Hillary's real god is political expediency. Do Americans truly want this hard-bitten Machiavellian back in the White House? Day one will just be more of the same. As her husband has dragged his numerous female play objects before her and has humiliated her on the public stage year after year, she still stays within the marriage. Hillary seems to take every beating, and yet she appears to "keep on ticking." Does she thrive on this? How would this affect one's (female) psyche? Judgment as President? General perspective? Robert Philips Corrales, New Mexico A swarm of biographers in miners' gear has tried to plumb the inky depths of Hillary Rodham Clinton's warren-riddled psyche. My metaphor is drawn (as Oscar Wilde's prim Miss Prism would say) from the Scranton coalfields, to which came the Welsh family that produced Hillary's harsh, domineering father. Hillary's feckless, loutish brothers (who are kept at arm's length by her operation) took the brunt of Hugh Rodham's abuse in their genteel but claustrophobic home. Hillary is the barracuda who fought for dominance at their expense. Flashes of that ruthless old family drama have come out repeatedly in this campaign, as when Hillary could barely conceal her sneers at her fellow debaters onstage -- the wimpy, cringing brothers at the dinner table. Hillary's willingness to tolerate Bill's compulsive philandering is a function of her general contempt for men. She distrusts them and feels morally superior to them. Following the pattern of her long-suffering mother, she thinks it is her mission to endure every insult and personal degradation for a higher cause -- which, unlike her self-sacrificing mother, she identifies with her near-messianic personal ambition. It's no coincidence that Hillary's staff has always consisted mostly of adoring women, with nerdy or geeky guys forming an adjunct brain trust. Hillary's rumored hostility to uniformed military men and some Secret Service agents early in the first Clinton presidency probably belongs to this pattern. And let's not forget Hillary, the governor's wife, pulling out a book and rudely reading in the bleachers during University of Arkansas football games back in Little Rock. Hillary's disdain for masculinity fits right into the classic feminazi package, which is why Hillary acts on Gloria Steinem like catnip. Steinem's fawning, gaseous New York Times op-ed about her pal Hillary this week speaks volumes about the snobby clubbiness and reactionary sentimentality of the fossilized feminist establishment, which has blessedly fallen off the cultural map in the 21st century. History will judge Steinem and company very severely for their ethically obtuse indifference to the stream of working-class women and female subordinates whom Bill Clinton sexually harassed and abused, enabled by look-the-other-way and trash-the-victims Hillary. How does all this affect the prospect of a Hillary presidency? With her eyes on the White House, Hillary as senator has made concerted and generally successful efforts to improve her knowledge of and relationship to the military -- crucial for any commander-in-chief but especially for the first female one. However, I remain concerned about her future conduct of high-level diplomacy. Contemptuous condescension seems to be Hillary's default mode with any male who criticizes her or stands in her way. It's a Nixonian reflex steeped in toxic gender bias. How will that play in the Muslim world? The Clintons live to campaign. It's what holds them together and gives them a glowing sense of meaning and value. Their actual political accomplishments are fairly slight. The obsessive need to keep campaigning may mean a president Hillary would go right on spewing the bitterly partisan rhetoric that has already paralyzed Washington. Even if Hillary could be elected (which I'm skeptical about), how in tarnation could she ever govern? The current wave of support for Barack Obama from Democrats, independents, and even some Republicans is partly based on his vision of a new political discourse that breaks with the petty, destructive polarization of the past 20 years. Whether Obama can build up his foreign policy credentials sufficiently to reassure an anxious general electorate remains to be seen. But Hillary herself, with her thin, spotty record, tangled psychological baggage, and maundering blowhard of a husband, is also a mighty big roll of the dice. She is a brittle, relentless manipulator with few stable core values who shuffles through useful personalities like a card shark ("Cue the tears!"). Forget all her little gold crosses: Hillary's real god is political expediency. Do Americans truly want this hard-bitten Machiavellian back in the White House? Day one will just be more of the same. I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee of my party, because I want Democrats appointed to the Cabinet and the Supreme Court. But I plan to vote for Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania primary because he is a rational, centered personality who speaks the language of idealism and national unity. Obama has served longer as an elected official than Hillary. He has had experience as a grass-roots activist, and he is also a highly educated lawyer who will be a quick learner in office. His international parentage and childhood, as well as his knowledge of both Christianity and Islam, would make him the right leader at the right time. And his wife Michelle is a powerhouse. The Obamas represent the future, not the past. ----------------- Of course, the future, Obama style, is a Socialist State. But in spite of this guy's apparent lack of concern over the "new direction" Osama wants to take us, I'll give him credit for being dead on the money when talking about the Clintons. |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 10 2008, 05:55 PM Post #2 |
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Cheers
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Anyone who uses the word 'feminzi' in an essay pretty much rules out being taken seriously. |
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| Larry | Jan 10 2008, 06:10 PM Post #3 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Why? I think it's pretty accurate description of the women it's aimed at. |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 10 2008, 06:15 PM Post #4 |
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Cheers
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I find it to be rather puerile. Plus I think Nazi references are overused. |
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| apple | Jan 10 2008, 06:15 PM Post #5 |
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one of the angels
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"And let's not forget Hillary, the governor's wife, pulling out a book and rudely reading in the bleachers during University of Arkansas football games back in Little Rock. " now i would do that but seriously, what has Hillary accomplished ? (asking respectfully) |
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| Jack Frost | Jan 10 2008, 06:16 PM Post #6 |
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Bull-Carp
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The horror! Sounds like she was a good sport for going in the first place. jf, who has never been to a football game |
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| Jack Frost | Jan 10 2008, 06:17 PM Post #7 |
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Bull-Carp
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Apple...incredible timing!!!! jf |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 10 2008, 06:26 PM Post #8 |
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Cheers
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She was a lawyer and then a politician. How on earth could she possibly have accomplished anything?
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 10 2008, 07:52 PM Post #9 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Never been to a football game? Counselor, hie thee over to the 'what do you think about vaginas' thread...
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| David Burton | Jan 10 2008, 09:29 PM Post #10 |
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Senior Carp
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YOU pretty much rule out being taken seriously! |
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| David Burton | Jan 10 2008, 09:30 PM Post #11 |
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Senior Carp
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YOU’RE rather puerile! |
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| Mark | Jan 10 2008, 09:35 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Let's see, if I use the word NAZI! or HITLER! or GESTAPO! or SS! I will not be taken seriously. What if I am reporting on events of the 1930s and 1940s of a country called GERMANY? OK, one more scotch then it's off to be with me mister! hic! ![]() |
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| Rick | Jan 10 2008, 11:01 PM Post #13 |
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Senior Carp
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what is this fascination with Scotch on this board? It's like y'all brag about drinking it as if it was the only drink sophisticated enough to be drank. "All right now, here we go ... Now we're gonna tell you a little story About the way we like to party - take ya on a trip! HIT IT! That's right I'm goin' way down south where the big blue agave grow, Takin' a weekend trip down to Baja, Mexico! Where you can drink the water, but don't ya eat the ice, Take your vitamin "T" with salt 'n lemon slice ... I say, One shot...Hey! Mas Tequila- Two shots...Hey! que veneno- Three shots...Arriba! Mas Tequila! Hey! Hey! She did a mean macarena to the funky cold medina Behind a body shot and three margaritas. She'll drink it straight from the bottle, terra cotta jug, From a boda bag coppin' a major buzz. I say, One shot...Hey! Mas Tequila- Two shots...Hey! que veneno- Three shots...Arriba! Mas Tequila! Hey! Hey! Uno mas, bartender...one more...mas tequila! Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! Yo can drink the water, but don't ya eat the ice; Take your vitamin "T" with salt 'n lemon slice! I say, One shot...Hey! Mas Tequila- Two shots...Hey! que veneno- Three shots...Arriba! Mas Tequila! Hey! Hey! One shot...Hey! more tequila! Two shots...Hey! que veneno! Three shots...Ay yi yi yi yi ... Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Mas Tequila! No mas, no mas .... " Now there's a drink for real men! |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 11 2008, 01:20 AM Post #14 |
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Cheers
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This from the forum's conspiracy theorist. Somehow I think I'll survive that comment. By the way, David, have you read Hofstadter? He seems to have anticipated you by over 50 years. Its uncanny how well he describes your outlook. |
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| Daniel | Jan 11 2008, 02:44 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Do you really expect Larry to post something serious? |
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| Daniel | Jan 11 2008, 02:53 AM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Thanks again, closet case. |
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| Larry | Jan 11 2008, 03:44 AM Post #17 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Daniel, you really don't have a clue how stupid you are, do you? |
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| Daniel | Jan 11 2008, 03:49 AM Post #18 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Someone please inform the sociopath that I am not speaking to him until he grows a brain. |
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| Larry | Jan 11 2008, 03:53 AM Post #19 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Well idiot, you made a swipe at me, and were too stupid to see that it was David he was talking to, not me. You're an idiot, Daniel. You're too stupid to be involved in a discussion forum. Now: while you're here, tell me where this statement says anything about sex: Everything will be fine in the end, And if it's not fine, it's (you're) not in the end. TELL ME. You can't, moron. |
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| Jack Frost | Jan 11 2008, 05:48 AM Post #20 |
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Bull-Carp
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Jon, you've managed to elicit some direct personal insults from David. That is something because usually he just snips at people behind their backs. David, you are sounding more and more like your friend Larry every day! jf |
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