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| TomK | Jan 10 2008, 02:27 PM Post #151 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm in the barn milking goats as I post. Trust me--it's not easy. Not everybody has a window office over the East parking lot. Time for the 45 min rebuttal! :lol: Quirt's driving home.
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| Rainman | Jan 10 2008, 02:29 PM Post #152 |
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VERY damaging, along with patriotism. After all, look what nationalism and patriotism did for the Estonians. They've been around as a nation for 2,000 years, yet have only had self-rule and political autonomy for 30 years out of the past 2k. |
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| Improviso | Jan 10 2008, 02:58 PM Post #153 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Lordy, lordy. There's hope for you yet. C'mere and let me give you a noogie .
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Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism. We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. | |
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| OperaTenor | Jan 10 2008, 03:04 PM Post #154 |
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Pisa-Carp
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I saw a discussion about this on another board close to two months ago - same issue, including the Snopes reference. Here's what I don't quite get: Does anyone know the history of this "Flag Code"? The Snopes article was the first I'd ever seen or heard of it. When I was in the Navy, we got what I considered a pretty thorough course on flag etiquette, and it went something like this: For the military: While the Anthem is played, stand at attention facing the flag and salute, or the source of the music if the flag isn't visible when in uniform. If in civilian clothes, stand at attention, facing the flag or the music as above. For civilians, I thought the only time the hand over heart was necessary was while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, and that is was only necessary to stand and face the flag/music if the Anthem was being played. Others I know who were in the military were under the same impression, which makes me wonder if the Flag Code is something that was either recently enacted or recently amended. If my understanding of it is the case, then I see Obama as losing style points while gaining integrity points, which to me are worth more. If it is as dictated by the FC, then he's made one of those judgmental lapses that tends to rule him out as being fit for the job as LOTFW. YMMV. |
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| Improviso | Jan 10 2008, 03:10 PM Post #155 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Conduct during playing National Anthem During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there. Flag Code |
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Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism. We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. | |
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| OperaTenor | Jan 10 2008, 03:13 PM Post #156 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Been there, read that. My questions is how long has the FC been around, or has it been amended recently to include this stuff. |
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| TomK | Jan 10 2008, 03:16 PM Post #157 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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You thinking it's been updated so reciently that Obama hasn't gotten the new revisions?
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 10 2008, 03:19 PM Post #158 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I think it's at least 50 years old. |
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| OperaTenor | Jan 10 2008, 03:47 PM Post #159 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Tom - Thanks, Quirt. Perhaps I've learned something new. |
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| Rick | Jan 10 2008, 03:52 PM Post #160 |
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I remember in my Navy days, like OT said, when colors occured, (flag raising or lowering) the base piped in the National Anthem during and if you were not in uniform, you did not salute but instead just stood at attention facing the flag. No hand over heart. When I'm at ballgames now or other events, I still have to remind myself to hold the hand over the heart instead of just standing at attention. |
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| Rick | Jan 10 2008, 03:56 PM Post #161 |
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I just finally looked at 89th's link, gees louise, it's obvious, the man just had to go real bad, I hold my hands there too when I gotta go.
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| TomK | Jan 10 2008, 04:14 PM Post #162 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hard on for Hillary. :lol:
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| Frank_W | Jan 10 2008, 06:36 PM Post #163 |
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Thank you, Jack. I keep trying to watch the video of the incident, but it keeps crapping out... I'd just like to know the truth. That's all. |
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| kathyk | Jan 10 2008, 06:51 PM Post #164 |
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Pisa-Carp
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That bears printing out for anyone who might otherwise miss it. BARACK OBAMA'S REAL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: REFUSES TO IGNORE AMERICA'S REAL HEROES It is untrue that Barack Obama “refused to say the pledge allegiance,” but feel free to share the following record of Obama’s allegiance and patriotism when the cameras were not rolling with whomever sent you that misleading chain email or with an American hero you know. Happy Veterans Day Weekend. ![]() * February 15, 2005: Obama critiques Bush for providing a veterans budget funding that is $4 billion short * March 26, 2005: Obama introduces a bill to add $2.85 billion to VA health care, but the bill was defeated (<–probably by people who usually put their hands over their hearts instead of singing for the national anthem) * April 14, 2005: Obama gives Senate floor speech about wounded veterans who were paying for their own meals and phone service while recovering * May 12, 2005: Senate passes Obama amendment ensuring that wounded veterans recovering in military hospitals would not have to pay for their own meals. * May 23, 2005: Obama, Durbin, and Nichols hold a Veterans Town Hall meeting to hear veterans’ concerns * June 14, 2005: Obama, Durbin introduce bill to prevent Iraq War widow from being sent back to Kosovo * June 23, 2005: Obama releases statement of concern about the $1 billion shortfall in the budget for veterans’ care * June 28, 2005: Obama pushes for emergency funding for veteran health care in light of the fact that Congress found billions to give people tax cuts. * June 30, 2005: Obama praises Senate decision to provide $1.5 billion for VA health care * July 15, 2005: Obama gives major speech at the American Legion on caring for America’s veterans * July 21, 2005: Obama votes to add additional funding for armor military vehicles * August 10, 2005: Obama criticizes VA decision not to review cases of veterans who were denied claims for post-traumatic stress disorder * September 23, 2005: Senate passes Obama, Durbin legislation requiring VA to inform veterans in states who had received below-average disability compensation * September 23, 2005: Obama, Durbin amendment ensures that veterans whose PTSD cases were reviewed would not get their benefits reduced or revoked. * October 3, 2006: Military Update highlights Obama’s efforts on reviews of PTSD cases * November 10, 2005: Obama releases statement about the VA suspending their review of PTSD cases. * November 16, 2005: Obama passes amendments to protect troops from Avian flu and to improve their health care * November 18, 2005: Obama, Durbin legislation requiring individuals to be informed about lower than average disability compensation in their states moves toward being signed into law * December 16, 2005: Kerry, Pryor, Obama provision to help troops save thousands on their taxes passes Senate * January 25, 2006: Obama decries the fact that thousands of veterans were denied VA care in 2005 * January 27, 2006: Obama and others demand answers from VA for rude service and incorrect answers at their call center * February 2, 2006: Obama addresses low job placement rates for veterans * February 16, 2006: Obama criticizes “accounting gimmicks” in Bush’s proposed VA budget, the increase in veterans’ health care and co-payment fees, the ban on middle-income veterans, the cut in claims benefits processing staff, no increased funding for nursing home construction, and cuts for medical and prosthetics research. * March 16, 2006: Senate approves Obama bill providing $40 million for homeless veterans and veterans’ employment * May 8, 2006: VA acts on Obama, Durbin legislation to inform veterans who have received below average disability benefits * May 17, 2006: Obama helps a veteran get $12,500 in back benefit pay. * May 22, 2006: Obama calls the theft of 26.5 million VA records “unconscionable” * May 23, 2006: Obama, Durbin asks VA to provide credit monitoring services to veterans whose records had been stolen * June 7, 2006: Obama introduces bill to keep homeless veterans off the street * June 22, 2006: Obama bill to get homeless veterans off the street passes Senate Veterans Affairs committee * November 30, 2006: Obama releases statement expressing encouragement by Iraq Study Group’s call for redeploying U.S. forces * February 20, 2007: Obama, McCaskill plan to introduce legislation that would improve care at active duty military hospitals * February 27, 2007: Obama releases statement on troops being deployed to Iraq without proper training * March 1, 2007: Obama, McCaskill officially introduce the Dignity for Wounded Heroes Act * March 1, 2007: The Army Times highlights the Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act introduced by Obama and McCaskill * March 13, 2007: Obama, Durbin ask VA for info about most recent disparities in disability benefits and about whether they are prepared for the increasing number of new veterans * March 27, 2007: Other Senators join Obama and McCaskill’s Dignity for Wounded Heroes Act * March 29, 2007: Obama commemorates sacrifice of the Tuskeegee Airmen * March 29, 2007: Senate Republicans reject provisions in the Dignity for Wounded Heroes Act introduced by Obama and McCaskill that would have provided funding for caseworkers, mental health care counselors, a women’s mental health treatment program, and a study of mental health care for returning soldiers * March 30, 2007: Obama calls on Bush to support care for returning soldiers by supporting the Dignity for Wounded Heroes Act * April 10, 2007: Obama and other senators introduce a bill to provide housing for homeless veterans * April 12, 2007: Obama raises concerns about Bush’s nominee for Veteran’s Affairs * April 19, 2007: Obama and other senators ask GAO to study military’s mental health care * April 19, 2007: The Army Times examines soldiers being discharged for PTSD and the efforts of Obama and other senators to address it * May 2, 2007: Obama, McCaskill introduce the Homecoming Enhancement Research Oversight (HERO) Act that would evaluate the physical, mental health, and readjustment needs of service members returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. * May 8, 2007: Obama asks President to ensure that the National Guard has the resources it needs to respond to national emergencies * May 10, 2007: Obama, other senators introduce bill to update treatment of traumatic brain injury for military servicemembers * May 10, 2007: The AP highlights the National Guard’s readiness and Obama’s efforts to address it * May 22, 2007: Obama, other senators express concern about mental health care services for soldiers at Fort Carson * May 23, 2007: Obama, Domenici introduce bill to expand mental health care access for veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan * May 28, 2007: The Washington Post writes an editorial highlighting the need for Obama’s legislation to improve veterans’ mental health care * June 14, 2007: A comprehensive Senate bill to improve health care for service members incorporates proposals from Obama and McCaskill’s Dignity for Wounded Heroes Act. * June 21, 2007: Obama and other senators demand review of personality disorder discharges for soldiers * June 21, 2007: Obama and other senators introduce bill to improve VA services for blind veterans * June 27, 2007: Several Obama proposals are incorporated into a Senate bill to improve veteran’s health care and benefits including a VA Hospital Quality Report card and extended mental health coverage for veterans and increased outreach to the National Guard and the Reserve * July 12, 2007: Obama and other senators plan to introduce legislation to temporarily cease military personality disorder discharges * July 17, 2007: Obama releases statement on resignation of VA secretary with whom he had to fight to get veterans their benefits * July 19, 2007: Obama introduces legislation to impose a moratorium on military personality disorder discharges until the procedure is reviewed * July 25, 2007: Obama, McCaskill applaud passage of Wounded Warrior legislation * July 26, 2006: Obama and other senators introduce legislation to provide an employment safety net for families of wounded service members * August 2, 2007: Obama and other senators introduce “Patriot Employers Act” legislation to reward companies that invest in jobs, benefits, decent wages, and support for their employees who are called to active duty * August 2, 2007: Senate passes Obama/McCaskill’s Military Family Job Protection Act which provides up to a year of job protection for family members caring for a service member recovering from combat-related injuries * August 21, 2007: Barack Obama gives major speech to the VFW on America’s veterans * September 18, 2007: Obama, McCaskill release statement on Military Family Job Protection Act urging the Senate to approve it * September 19, 2007: Obama co-sponsors Jim Webb legislation that requires minimum periods between troop redeployments * September 25, 2007: Obama, McCaskill continue to fight for passage of Military Family Job Protection Act * September 26, 2007: Obama releases statement on GAO report that wounded soldiers are receiving substandard treatment from the Pentagon and VA * September 26, 2007: Obama releases statement asking Bush to ensure that private contractors are not jeopardizing military’s efforts in Iraq * October 1, 2007: The Post-Dispatch discusses military soldier discharges for “pre-existing conditions” and the Obama/Bond legislation that addresses it * October 1, 2007: Obama, Bond praise new safeguards on military personality disorder discharges * October 17, 2007: Obama calls on Gates to ensure that all service members are receiving full educational benefits * October 21, 2007: The Post-Dispatch interviews soldiers handling the effects of personality disorder discharges and highlights the Obama/Bond legislation that calls for a moratorium * October 23, 2007: Obama, Durbin demand full report on military post traumatic stress disorder cases * October 30, 2007: Obama releases statement on nomination of James Peake for VA Secretary * November 5, 2007: Obama and other senators call on Pentagon to ensure quality care for returning service members with eye injuries * November 8, 2007: Obama introduces the Veterans Homelessness Prevention Act which provides housing and support services for veterans and their families, including those returning from Iraq, who are at high-risk of becoming homeless * November 17, 2007: Obama and Durbin introduce legislation to improve hiring and quality of care at VA medical centers * November 19, 2007: A wounded Iraq veteran visits Barack Obama’s Senate office for help. * November 20, 2007: Barack Obama writes a post on VetVoice, the blog for VoteVets explaining his vision for taking care of America’s veterans * December 12, 2007: Obama, Durbin hail House introduction of the Veterans Health Quality Improvement Act * December 14, 2007: Obama and other senators call for DoD review of treatment of service members with mental illness * December 17, 2007: Obama hails passage of legislation that improves mental health care for troops * December 21, 2007: Obama other senators urge special review for discharged military personnel, moratorium on personality disorder discharges * December 21, 2007: Obama, other senators urge President to fully fund Veteran’s Department |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 10 2008, 06:51 PM Post #165 |
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Cheers
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I agree with Jack and JB, respectively. This is old news, and there are better reasons not to vote for him. |
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| Frank_W | Jan 10 2008, 06:54 PM Post #166 |
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That's okay, Moonbat. It's been pretty damaging to my eyesight to read many of your posts. I would venture that Moonbatism is far more damaging.
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| apple | Jan 10 2008, 06:56 PM Post #167 |
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one of the angels
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| Larry | Jan 10 2008, 07:01 PM Post #168 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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That's quite a list you've got there, Kathy. It shows that Osama likes to talk a good show, lend his name to things that will make him look good later on but would have happened anyway, and that you're quite the apologist. But his actions speak loudly as well, as do his words. And he had something to say when asked why he didn't put his hand over his heart. Why don't you Google that up, Kathy? |
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| David Burton | Jan 10 2008, 08:20 PM Post #169 |
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Sarah says – “The US Flag Code says: when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. What happens if you don't? How serious is this?” Well Sarah, just look at Obama for a moment along with the others. The others are participating, though none are facing the flag. There is something that I’m picking up in his whole body language; some contempt for the whole idea of participating in anything so symbolically patriotic. Look at the expression on his face and the position of his hands, the hang of his shoulders. There’s a kind of defiance there, the kind someone like me would like to walk right up and smack right off him. Responding to what Frank said, Sarah asks – “What do you feel, when you do that?” I can only answer for myself. Personally I feel that I am acknowledging that I belong to a group of people associated with a nation called the United States of America. I have traveled a certain amount outside my country and even like some other countries almost as much as my own, though I would always stick out as an American no matter where I went. I like being an American. I like most of my fellow countrymen very much. I suppose this is a natural feeling. There will always be some who would have us believe that nationalism is passé, wrong or even evil and one should attempt to feel oneself as a “citizen of the world.” There are always those with lingering contempt for patriotism of any kind. Why? Partially insecurity, partially the belief that they will never willingly assimilate to anyone else’s ways, etc. Some social idealists believe this way too. I trust Obama is basically a run of the mill social idealist. After all wasn’t his only claim to fame before getting into politics being a “community organizer?” (TROUBLEMAKER in my book). These kinds are not people with the world as their oyster but rather people without a country, nomads, rootless and vagabond and there is plenty of romanticism tied up with such notions. They can be as snide or as glib as they like, attempt the supercilious air of knowing better as many of them do. But they will be lonely people because most others who know them, unless they are of the same ilk, wont abide their company for long. BTW, I liked the UK very much and intend on going back as often as I am able. I also love France and want it to remain French, God help em. I see the point to a place like Switzerland. I have always enjoyed my jaunts to Canada. But when my national anthem sounds, with its amazing opening double V phrases, my right hand instantly goes to my heart and I feel part of the great nation that has helped me along all my life, with all its warts, which nation hasn’t got them? This one picture says more about Barack Obama than any single picture could. As I said many months ago, this man is not sufficiently American to be our president. I stand thoroughly vindicated in my pronouncement. |
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| Mark | Jan 10 2008, 08:28 PM Post #170 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I attended the local republican party debate party tonight. Great venue and food. Local Mexican Restaurant banquet hall with huge projection screen for the debate. They played the National Anthem on the TV. We all stood and everyone in the room had their right hand over their heart. FOR A TV BROADCAST! It's a natural thing to do for people who love their country. Now, I am not saying that Mr. Obama does not have the right to not hold his right hand over his heart and I will absolutely and without question defend his "right" to not do so, but to deliberately not do so in a public setting, especially when running for the office of president is really very stupid. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 10 2008, 08:31 PM Post #171 |
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Mark, that sounds like fun, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. I also liked David's last comment very much: "This one picture says more about Barack Obama than any single picture could. As I said many months ago, this man is not sufficiently American to be our president." Obama does not get it. |
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| Axtremus | Jan 10 2008, 10:03 PM Post #172 |
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It is silly enough that American voters determine Leader of the Free World (LOTFW) based on whether s/he believes in Creationism/Intelligence Design, whether s/he is pro-life or pro-choice, or whether s/he would support Constitution amendment to ban gay marriage. Now you want to determine LOTFW based on where s/he put his/her hand while the national anthem is playing??? Do ourselves and the rest of the world a favor -- get back to basic competence, the economy, and foreign policy, ok? (p.s. ... and how good their young wifes and daughters look.) |
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| Mark | Jan 10 2008, 10:08 PM Post #173 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm doing my best to do just that Ax. |
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| bachophile | Jan 10 2008, 10:22 PM Post #174 |
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so who is old enough to remember this???![]() i remember it easily... |
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| Daniel | Jan 10 2008, 10:23 PM Post #175 |
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Larry? No. |
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