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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 10 2008, 09:59 AM (351 Views) | |
| CrashTest | Jan 10 2008, 09:59 AM Post #1 |
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Now, I do not mean in terms of the typical wealth structures and financial classes. In society there typically seems to be a mixture of varying degrees and level of education, respect, and "class". What makes certain people respectful of others, morally upright, and generally higher class individuals, than those who are more raw and lacking character? Is it purely education? Perhaps parenting? |
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| pianojerome | Jan 10 2008, 10:04 AM Post #2 |
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I wonder if "class" is looked down upon in certain American societies, as arrogant, uptight, judgmental, old-fashioned, etc. |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jan 10 2008, 10:05 AM Post #3 |
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Education, parenting and experience. As one gets older and hopefully a little wiser one comes to respect other people, their property and their feelings. That's what I've found. Also the ability to envisage oneself in another's situation. |
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| katie | Jan 10 2008, 10:05 AM Post #4 |
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It all has to do with LEGO Crash. Some people buy their LEGO, others get it handed down, others get it at garage sales, some get it donated, others scronge & steal. C'est true. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 10 2008, 10:07 AM Post #5 |
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Are you suggesting that there's a relationship between them all, that education level, having respect for others, being morally upright and being a "higher class individual" has to do with each other? |
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| katie | Jan 10 2008, 10:15 AM Post #6 |
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What about credibility? Or sincerity? Or empathy? There are strong inter-relationships that come into play to define character. To say someone "has class", well, one also looks at who's doing the saying. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 10 2008, 10:17 AM Post #7 |
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Nope, I don't think you do. Further, I think morals, "class", however you want to define it, respect, sincerity, etc. has nothing to do with education and very little to do with upbringing. |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 10 2008, 10:19 AM Post #8 |
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There are two classes of people. Those who aren't knobheads, and everybody else. |
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| TomK | Jan 10 2008, 10:23 AM Post #9 |
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Two classes those that post on TNCR and those that don't. (Didn't was already DO this thead? :wacko: ) |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 10 2008, 10:27 AM Post #10 |
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When I lived in Chester, most of the people I knew who foxhunted were upper-class wannabees. They were actually upper-middles or very sad cases of working-class nouveau riche. Of course, the upper class did hunt, but there's so few of 'em that it didn't make much difference either way. I'm with Oscar Wilde (a man of rare class) when it comes to foxhunting. |
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| katie | Jan 10 2008, 10:29 AM Post #11 |
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Add a little ice to mine TomK. I'll need to drive home after.
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| John D'Oh | Jan 10 2008, 10:32 AM Post #12 |
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Hey, TomK, you edited, but I caught you! D'Oh triumphs over the forces of darkness once again! (I need George to post that finger-wagging icon) |
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| JBryan | Jan 10 2008, 10:34 AM Post #13 |
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I might be able to do it. Which finger? |
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| TomK | Jan 10 2008, 10:37 AM Post #14 |
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The reason I even mentioned it is that here in Florida there is a big foxhunting business that caters to the English tourist. They come to Disney and stay for a hunt or two. |
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| Moonbat | Jan 10 2008, 10:39 AM Post #15 |
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You think morals has nothing to do with education and very little to do with upbringing?! Whilst the blank slate hypothesis is dead and buried that kind of extreme genetic determinism seems hugely unlikely (particularly given how diverse moral attitudes can be given different cultural environments) |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 10 2008, 10:39 AM Post #16 |
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Any Englishman who vacations in Florida is by definition lower-class.
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 10 2008, 10:46 AM Post #17 |
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Well, I'll be more explicit so we don't start discussing ridiculous things I did not mean to imply. Morals have nothing to do with classical education. That is, the morality of a person who only has a high school diploma is not necessarily greater, less or otherwise different than another person who has multiple Ph.D.'s. But obviously to have morals, one has to either educate themselves or be educated about what morals are in the first place. And yes, morals have very little to do with upbringing. Moral decisions may be explained by one's upbringing but they are not bound to it. We have the ability to choose our own moral beliefs. |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 10 2008, 10:51 AM Post #18 |
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I'm sorry, but that rhymes with trollocks. |
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| CrashTest | Jan 10 2008, 10:51 AM Post #19 |
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I will say that the influence of those around you are a great force in dictating how your character will be. If your parents are criminals and have no respect for others, chances are your respect will also be diminished - but if your family and people you surround yourself with generally behave and show strong character, that will positively affect one's moral inclinations. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 10 2008, 10:56 AM Post #20 |
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:lol: Well, there's a correlation between upbringing and personal morality, sure, but morality isn't mandated by upbringing. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary. |
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| TomK | Jan 10 2008, 10:58 AM Post #21 |
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"Whilst" seems pretty upper class. I'm kind of thinking that Moon is some sort of "Honourable" or "better." |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jan 10 2008, 10:58 AM Post #22 |
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I think that, since children are very impressionable, whoever is highly involved in their upbringing will have a huge impact on them in many ways, including learning about morals. |
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| TomK | Jan 10 2008, 11:00 AM Post #23 |
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You are right--most LIVE here. I buy me fish n' chips from the most lovely retired Yorkshire couple that opened a little place on Rt 525 in Kissimmee. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 10 2008, 11:02 AM Post #24 |
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A child starts to develop opinions that are independent of upbringing after a few years. |
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| Moonbat | Jan 10 2008, 11:08 AM Post #25 |
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Ah i see, i'd accept certainly that morals are not determined by ones qualifications but i'd dispute that has nothing to do with classical education. I think school environment and one's teachers particularly seem to be able to make a pretty big difference, it can reinforce or undermine ethical development of children.
But Aqua the claim that morals have very little to do with upbringing seems tpretty contrary to observation - how do you explain the correlation between upbringing and people's ideas of ethics? If you consider the Spartans who thought stealing was ok or the Fundamentalist muslims who think that it is immoral for a woman to show her face to a man who is not in her immediate family or religious views that homosexuality is a sin or the idea that people of different class or caste or race should not marry and on and on and on. All these attitudes appear to be a product of cultural environment both during specific formative years i.e. upbringing, and indeed throughout later life. Edit:
Ah ok you kind of answer my above question here. I'd certainly agree that people concepts of ethics are not solely determined by upbringing - genetics and other environmental influences are undoubtedly involved. But that's quite different to saying that upbringing has very little influence. |
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