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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 9 2008, 07:38 PM (562 Views) | |
| Mark | Jan 9 2008, 07:38 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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My first oz of pure silver. I could not resist this coin! It has the Bill of Rights on the front! ![]() ![]() ![]() Only paid the value of the silver too! |
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| katie | Jan 9 2008, 08:11 PM Post #2 |
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Fulla-Carp
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That's a keeper. The U.S. mints such beautiful coins Mark. My dad collected a bit; I have them now. I like Australian coins too, very artistic, some very ornate. Speaking of coins, have you seen these Mark: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/ronpauldollar ? What is this? Is this a common thing for candidates to do in the U.S.? I'm curious. |
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| Mark | Jan 9 2008, 08:18 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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![]() Beautiful huh? They were all seized by our FBI on a raid last month. Yep! Seized and nobody was charged with any crime in connection with them. Under our current forfeiture laws they are being auctioned. Again, no crime was committed or charged. They just barged in, guns blazing and stole private property and now they are going to auction it off. Land of the what? |
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| katie | Jan 9 2008, 08:29 PM Post #4 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Mark (sweetie), I was more curious wondering what these coins were (like legal tender & when & where) & if it's common practice for political candidates to have them? Yes, it is a beautiful coin. I know little of your Ron Paul though. I'm not so passionate politically. Sorry for that. |
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| Mark | Jan 9 2008, 08:30 PM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Sorry Katie! I get a little excited about this stuff. ![]() Anyway, no it is not common practice for people to mint coins of presidential candidates. This is a first I believe. Oh , no they are not "legal tender" whatever the hell that is! LOL. They are collectibles made from pure copper, silver, gold and platinum. |
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| katie | Jan 9 2008, 08:37 PM Post #6 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Yes, I sense your enthusiasm Mark. You ooze it actually. That's great. You participate with pride in a process. Few do. Anyway, I suspect this coin is not legal tender, is it ? .. but only through certain merchants who agree to honor it? Is this correct? How common are Liberty Merchants in the States? Do they pop up for other special editions of coins, like for other causes/events? Do you or anyone know? Do people spend these dollars or are they collector's things? |
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| Riley | Jan 9 2008, 08:49 PM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Liberty dollars were created as an alternative to the FRN. (as they put it, just as FedEx is an alternative to USPS) They are not legal tender, but if you and the business both agree, it can be your method of payment. Just as you could buy a litre of milk with a box of Kleenex if the store will take it. |
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| katie | Jan 9 2008, 08:55 PM Post #8 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Thanks Riley. We may do something similar up here .. like for special events, or like Stampede Dollars .. redemeable at local banks during Stampede week. What's FRN .. Federal Reserve ?? what? |
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| Riley | Jan 9 2008, 08:57 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Note. |
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| Mark | Jan 9 2008, 09:34 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Worthless pieces of paper with arbitrary denominations printed on them. |
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| Daniel | Jan 9 2008, 09:40 PM Post #11 |
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Oh here we go. Worthless? They pay my bills every month. LOVE your coin. Congrats! |
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| Mark | Jan 9 2008, 09:45 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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What are they worth exactly? What backs them up? They seem to be declining against everything else in the world at an alarming rate. Or haven't you noticed? 1911 US Dollar is worth 1/20th oz of gold 2008 US Dollar is worth 1/880th oz of gold 1962 US Dollar (1/oz of 92% silver) purchases 5 gallons of gasoline 2008 US Dollar (worthless piece of paper) purchases 1/3 gallon of gasoline. 2008 1 oz of silver purchases 5 gallons of gasoline. What's to figure out? We have been robbed. |
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| Daniel | Jan 9 2008, 09:49 PM Post #13 |
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No, I wasn't alive in 1911. I thought the question was not whether they are worth less but whether they are worthless. |
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| Mark | Jan 9 2008, 09:56 PM Post #14 |
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pretty damn worthless. it's all relative I suppose. Yes, we buy things with them but we are not required to do so. |
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| David Burton | Jan 9 2008, 10:37 PM Post #15 |
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Senior Carp
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I happen to be in agreement with Mark concerning the FBI’s actions against Ron Paul’s supporters. They do the same with anyone who peddles natural remedies too. You could say that the American medical profession is in the thrall of Big Pharma and through the FDA, the FBI has done some amazingly un-American things to some doctors. Once more, these tactics are typical of the usually high handedness of big government. But there are big powers behind them too, people who deserve, well never mind. It makes people out here in the country VERY ANGRY to say the least. –edit— I have to be VERY CAREFUL about any disclosures. Yes Mark, they are nice coins. I collected stamps too for a while; US, USSR, Hungary, Austria. But the all out winner of collectible investments is actually fine art. It’s simply a matter of the rarity of the items. I’m interested in it to the extent that I am contemplating getting back into it myself, not as a dealer, but as an artist, since my first fame in life came as a painter in oils, landscapes mostly, sort of in the style of John Constable. When I lived in San Jose, California another lifetime ago, I painted a series of cubist landscapes in acrylics which I brought East when I moved to New York City in the 80‘s. They were stored in a friend’s apartment and destroyed in a fire there that was maliciously set; arson. I really enjoyed seeing those pics from the Loire Valley posted by Sarah Blueparrot (I used her last name for one of the characters in my book, I liked it so much). It’s a very restful and kind part of the world where the food and wine are both excellent and the people usually warm and friendly. Hard to believe that it was the center of a lot of royalist sympathies and a lot of people, tens of thousands actually, lost their lives in the terror. They still remember things like that there. They still remember what the English did in Scotland too. Oh yes. There are still too many people in the world and the “useless eaters” must be gotten rid of somehow. Thank Darwin and his cousin Malthus for giving such ideas legitimacy by reducing humanity to the level of the great apes … or worse. It seems incredible that mere apes can take wonderful photographs, paint excellent paintings, play music, dance, or have the senses to enjoy all of them at all, doesn’t it? |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 10 2008, 05:24 AM Post #16 |
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Cheers
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Indeed it is all relative. I really feel sorry for the poor saps who bought gold in 1980. Even with today's runup, they would have lost half their purchasing power. And it took them two decades to recover even that much. |
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| apple | Jan 10 2008, 05:26 AM Post #17 |
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Mark.. every year mr. apple buys about 30 of those. We save what we do not give away as gifts.. really the perfect thing for occasions... graduations of people you really don't know, nephews birthdays, etc. |
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| Moonbat | Jan 10 2008, 05:29 AM Post #18 |
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Pisa-Carp
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| Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem | |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 10 2008, 05:50 AM Post #19 |
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What the English did to Scotland occurred long before Mr. Darwin was born. I'd go as far as saying that the English nation has become considerably enlightened since it hammered the Scots so mercilessly and successfully. In any event they probably had it coming. Men shouldn't wear skirts, it's just not right. Washing wouldn't have hurt, either. One aspect of our enlightenment was our enormous contribution to scientific endeavour, including, as it happens, the theory of evolution by natural selection. I think blaming the rather gentle Charles Darwin for mankind's never ending and seemingly endless barbarism is more than a tad unfair. If anybody's interested, I have some Dale Earnhardt silver dollars. They spin very quickly. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 10 2008, 05:53 AM Post #20 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Pffft. I dunno what kind of room you have down there, but I'd certainly take more. Just have to worry about chafing, and with a good talcum powder that's pretty much mitigated. |
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| Axtremus | Jan 10 2008, 06:58 AM Post #21 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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They are backed by the full faith and credit given to the government of the United States of America.
Look at the bottom part of the following chart on "Crude Oil / Gold Ratio": ![]() Also look at the bottom part of the following chart on "Silver / Gold Ratio": ![]() The metal vs. oil ratios fluctuate like the rest of them. |
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| Mark | Jan 10 2008, 06:58 AM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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1980 $675.30 <-peak Yeah it took a long ass time for it to get back to that. Well, we have had significant mass liquidity injections and devaluing of the dollar since then and very recently as well. I suspect gold will hit $1,000 before it's all over. Silver is projected to hit 30 and some say much higher than that. I think silver is a better "investment" than gold right now. We have no gold investments currently. Silver is easier to afford in quantity obviously. |
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| katie | Jan 10 2008, 07:14 AM Post #23 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I've collected a few coins here & there for the sake of collecting them.. That's it. Paper pays my bills. I was raised to believe precious metals were a risky investment. I just can't see changing my mind of that. Fine art, really fine art, is way out there price wise. Even small stuff, etchings, lithographs, ceramics, sculpture. For contemporary artists, to gauge what will be worth something 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now so to buy now, that takes almost a crystal ball. I say buy what you can afford & like. Enjoy what you buy. Don't buy art as an investment. |
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| lb1 | Jan 10 2008, 07:53 AM Post #24 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Silver was $42.00 an ounce in the late 70's. I bought 300 oz at $9.87 in 1982 and it went down to $4.65 Pretty bad investment I think. I still have it somewhere but don't even bother checking the price anymore. |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| sarah_blueparrot | Jan 10 2008, 08:03 AM Post #25 |
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Fulla-Carp
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David, I'm sorry to hear about your paintings. That's an unforgivable thing to do. On the other hand, I'm absolutely delighted that you used my name! Can I read it? Yes, there is so much history here, and a lot of it is inextricably linked to England, with the Plantagenets and the Angevins. |
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Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh, and to be able to grow. - Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross | |
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