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Dumb traffic law; ...WTF?
Topic Started: Jan 9 2008, 06:29 PM (762 Views)
Daniel
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Aqua Letifer
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Jan 9 2008, 09:08 PM
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Jan 9 2008, 11:05 PM
I recently moved to Virginia also.

Screw Virginia.  Screw their traffic laws and their inspections.  It would be a horrendous waste of time and money to get everything squared away and for what?  If I ever get pulled over it'll be "yes sir officer, just passing through."  I'll delay the process until Rapture if I have to.

I would agree with you, although isn't there some way for them to see where you live (e.g., a Virginia address)?

Or do you claim to have a 3-hours commute from Western Maryland? :lol:

Well yeah, I mean they're the police; it's all a matter of how far they want to take their little investigation.

But the trooper who runs my tags is going to come up with the information I have at the MVA, which is the same as what's on my license.

And of course I'm not going to tell them I work around here. I'd tell them some other reason for why I'm in town.
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yeah, like selling crack.
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Jan 10 2008, 05:22 AM
yeah, like selling crack.

:lol: :lol:

Preposterous.


This is meth country.
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Jan 9 2008, 11:25 PM
Semi annual - sigh. Every other year. I'm a dope.

Which part of the sig made you laugh, the suicide or the Frank quote?

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Jan 9 2008, 09:57 PM
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Jan 9 2008, 09:29 PM

Any legal thoughts here?


This really is a small world.

Yesterday I noticed a crack in my windshield.

This caused me to notice that my Virginia inspection expired in November.

I went immediately to the inspection station and of course flunked because of the crack, but at least I'm not expired.

No driving it now until the crack is fixed on Friday.

Once you flunk you can only drive to get it fixed. I know someone who was stopped twice on the way to get it fixed.

From what the mechanic told me, cops are allowed to give tickets even if you are driving to get it fixed. I could be wrong of course, but that's what I've heard...and why I started this thread, since I found that law to be incredibly odd. You are required to get your car fixed, but you aren't allowed to drive it to the mechanic! :confused:

Of course, they say the court is reasonable, but that means I have to spend *my* time to plead my case. There should certainly be a 60-day grace period on the books or something.

In Mass you have a three-day grace period, I think. Might be five days. And that's only if it isn't a safety issue, safety issues have to be fixed immediately.

60 days is way too long.
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US traffic-related fatalities were 43,200 in 2005. Quit whining and fix your car.
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Jan 10 2008, 05:57 AM
US traffic-related fatalities were 43,200 in 2005. Quit whining and fix your car.

Yeah, seriously. 89th's loose parking brake and fog lamp lightbulbs are really putting lives at risk.
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No inspections in Tennessee. :shrug:
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Jan 10 2008, 09:07 AM
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Jan 10 2008, 05:57 AM
US traffic-related fatalities were 43,200 in 2005.  Quit whining and fix your car.

Yeah, seriously. 89th's loose parking brake and fog lamp lightbulbs are really putting lives at risk.

Fixing a loose parking brake costs like $10. Suck it up, Leona.
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Jan 9 2008, 10:40 PM
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Jan 9 2008, 10:32 PM
George!  Have your vehicles registered on this side of the cheddar curtain!

I did that back in '96. Problem is insurance. If a vehicle that is insured in Illinois (please, don't pronounce the 's') is in an accident, and the insurer finds out that it's registered in Cheeseland®, they may deny the claim. Sales tax is also lower in Kenosha (where we bought the car) than it is in Cook County. :veryangry: If you buy a car in Wisconsin and register in Illinois, you have to pay the difference in sales tax to Illinois.

Bastards.

Why can't you insure it in Wisconsin as well?
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Jan 10 2008, 07:57 AM
US traffic-related fatalities were 43,200 in 2005. Quit whining and fix your car.

You make that sound like it's a problem or something.
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Look: Overpopulation is causing Global Warming. If we start killing more people per year, it'll keep our emissions down. LOL
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Jan 10 2008, 09:39 AM
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Jan 9 2008, 10:40 PM
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Jan 9 2008, 10:32 PM
George!  Have your vehicles registered on this side of the cheddar curtain!

I did that back in '96. Problem is insurance. If a vehicle that is insured in Illinois (please, don't pronounce the 's') is in an accident, and the insurer finds out that it's registered in Cheeseland®, they may deny the claim. Sales tax is also lower in Kenosha (where we bought the car) than it is in Cook County. :veryangry: If you buy a car in Wisconsin and register in Illinois, you have to pay the difference in sales tax to Illinois.

Bastards.

Why can't you insure it in Wisconsin as well?

You have to insure it where it is primarily used. The insurance company will make you sign something that says that the primary use will be by the people listed on the policy, in the place where it's being insured. If you lie, they can deny claims, on the basis that you defrauded them.
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Jan 10 2008, 08:57 AM
US traffic-related fatalities were 43,200 in 2005.  Quit whining and fix your car.

It already is fixed and passed. Just bad timing that I got a ticket less than 12 hours before I got it re-inspected. Not to mention the point of this thread being that you can get a ticket for driving a car to get something fixed even though that's the only option.

I missed the point of your post... :confused:
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Jan 9 2008, 11:05 PM
I recently moved to Virginia also.

Screw Virginia. Screw their traffic laws and their inspections. It would be a horrendous waste of time and money to get everything squared away and for what? If I ever get pulled over it'll be "yes sir officer, just passing through." I'll delay the process until Rapture if I have to.


I tried that when I moved here almost 30 years ago.

When I finally did sign up with the County, at the suggestion of a friendly County policeman, there was property tax to be paid on the car. Then there was a penalty for signing up late. Then interest on both the tax and penalty.

Then of course there was the fee to register and the inspection.

You can try to say you just arrived yesterday, but if I remember correctly they’ll want to see some documentation.

So you have probably already begun to accrue the debt. Now it’s just a matter of when they get it and how much penalty and interest is added on.
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Jan 9 2008, 11:40 PM
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Jan 9 2008, 10:32 PM
George!  Have your vehicles registered on this side of the cheddar curtain!

I did that back in '96. Problem is insurance. If a vehicle that is insured in Illinois (please, don't pronounce the 's') is in an accident, and the insurer finds out that it's registered in Cheeseland®, they may deny the claim. Sales tax is also lower in Kenosha (where we bought the car) than it is in Cook County. :veryangry: If you buy a car in Wisconsin and register in Illinois, you have to pay the difference in sales tax to Illinois.

Bastards.

Yeah, it's that way all over, George.

You do know that, if you buy something out-of-state in a lower sales tax jurisdiction, you're supposed to pay the sales tax when you bring it into the state, right?

That's also true all over. They just never catch you because they don't know where you bought the stuff in your house. But, since you have to REGISTER the car, it's easy enough to catch that. And it's a big ticket item.

Back in the day, when I lived in Washington, D.C., Virginia had a law (maybe it still does) that liquor could only be sold at state stores. Lots of Virginians would go across the Key Bridge from Rosslyn ... there was a liquor store right across the bridge in Washington. One time, I recall, Virginia state troopers set up a traffic stop on a Saturday evening on the other side of the Key Bridge, and they stopped everyone with Virginia plates and made them open their trunks. Anyone with liquor purchased at that liquor store got some kind of fine.
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Jan 10 2008, 08:41 AM

You have to insure it where it is primarily used. The insurance company will make you sign something that says that the primary use will be by the people listed on the policy, in the place where it's being insured. If you lie, they can deny claims, on the basis that you defrauded them.

I have never seen such a document let alone signed one.
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Jan 10 2008, 08:15 AM
Well yeah, I mean they're the police; it's all a matter of how far they want to take their little investigation.

But the trooper who runs my tags is going to come up with the information I have at the MVA, which is the same as what's on my license.

And of course I'm not going to tell them I work around here. I'd tell them some other reason for why I'm in town.


Way back when, the police used to hang around the apartment complexes in Alexandria during morning rush hour.

At the time this area was popular with the young, single, broke out-of-towners. So lots of them had cars registered somewhere else.

It was easy pickings.
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Jan 10 2008, 08:15 AM
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I recently moved to Virginia also.

Screw Virginia.  Screw their traffic laws and their inspections.  It would be a horrendous waste of time and money to get everything squared away and for what?  If I ever get pulled over it'll be "yes sir officer, just passing through."  I'll delay the process until Rapture if I have to.

I would agree with you, although isn't there some way for them to see where you live (e.g., a Virginia address)?

Or do you claim to have a 3-hours commute from Western Maryland? :lol:

Well yeah, I mean they're the police; it's all a matter of how far they want to take their little investigation.

But the trooper who runs my tags is going to come up with the information I have at the MVA, which is the same as what's on my license.

And of course I'm not going to tell them I work around here. I'd tell them some other reason for why I'm in town.

Also back in the day, when I lived in Crystal City, the Virginia cops used to troll the parking lots and streets for out-of-state tags, and ticket anyone who had a car that wasn't registered in Virginia. If you got two or three tickets, they'd tow you.
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Jan 10 2008, 09:48 AM
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Jan 10 2008, 08:41 AM

You have to insure it where it is primarily used.  The insurance company will make you sign something that says that the primary use will be by the people listed on the policy, in the place where it's being insured.  If you lie, they can deny claims, on the basis that you defrauded them.

I have never seen such a document let alone signed one.

You signed something when you first applied for car insurance, I guarantee it. It asked your primary address.

Most insurance companies periodically ask you to re-affirm the stuff in that original application ... who the drivers are, how much it's driven, whether it's driven to or from work, etc.
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My understanding is that you pay the sales tax where you register the car. Of course, that is assuming you register the car in the state where you actually live. Doing it the other way has its own ramifications.
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Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Lots of people in these parts have second homes in New Hampshire, and they register their cars up there. Lower taxes. (For example, my town has a property tax on cars.)

You still have to tell the insurance company where you are using it, though. And the insurance cost is based on where it's being used, not on where it's registered.

I remember this from back when I was in school. When I was in school in upstate NY, my insurance was cheapo. It went way up when I moved to Philadelphia. The car was registered in Connecticut throughout, though.
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Jan 10 2008, 06:49 AM

Also back in the day, when I lived in Crystal City, the Virginia cops used to troll the parking lots and streets for out-of-state tags, and ticket anyone who had a car that wasn't registered in Virginia. If you got two or three tickets, they'd tow you.

With the exception of New Jersey, I have never in my life dealt with a sh!ttier police force than Virginia's.
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Jan 10 2008, 09:47 AM
Back in the day, when I lived in Washington, D.C., Virginia had a law (maybe it still does) that liquor could only be sold at state stores. Lots of Virginians would go across the Key Bridge from Rosslyn ... there was a liquor store right across the bridge in Washington. One time, I recall, Virginia state troopers set up a traffic stop on a Saturday evening on the other side of the Key Bridge, and they stopped everyone with Virginia plates and made them open their trunks. Anyone with liquor purchased at that liquor store got some kind of fine.

It's still like that, you can only buy liquor in state-regulated stores (called "ABC Stores") and I think I know of the liquor store across the Key Bridge you are referring to. Although each state varies...when I lived in Maryland, many grocery stores were not allowed to sell beer, where in Virginia almost every grocery or convenience store sells it.
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