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The Investigation Ramps Up
Topic Started: Jan 3 2008, 05:01 AM (90 Views)
QuirtEvans
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/03/washington/03intel.html?hp

Personally, I don't think it will amount to anything. They got the lawyers from the covert ops division to bless destroying the tapes. That should insulate everyone from liability.

It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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I don't think there IS any liability to be insulated from.
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George K
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A couple of questions about all this:

1) Is waterboarding torture? No, not what everybody feels about it. Is it designated as torture by the US government as, I assume, amputation of a limb is considered torture.?

2) If the answer is "yes," then there's the possibility a crime was committed. Is "torture" even defined as law in the US? Is it expressly prohibited, or is is a matter of policy to prohibit it? If it's not defined, in a legal sense, was there a crime?

3) Are the congressmen who were made aware of this practice culpable because they knew of its existence back in 2003 and were silent? If I witness a crime, and don't speak up that it happened, am I an accessory to the crime?
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f I witness a crime, and don't speak up that it happened, am I an accessory to the crime?


The answer to this one is easy. No. First of all, an accessory is someone who facilitates the crime in some way. Second, there is generally no affirmative obligation to report criminal behavior (with, of course, specific situations in which there is an affirmative obligation). Now, it may not be a good idea to stay silent, because you look like you're implicated, but, subject to exceptions in specific situations, you aren't required to report criminal behavior.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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George K
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Let me get that clear. I see someone break into my neighbor's home. I see and record the license plate of the car he uses. I do not report the crime. I have no exposure? Wow!
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George K
Jan 3 2008, 09:23 AM
Let me get that clear. I see someone break into my neighbor's home. I see and record the license plate of the car he uses. I do not report the crime. I have no exposure? Wow!

Generally, no. You are not required to report criminal behavior.

In fact, you're not required to write down the license plate.

Now, if the police come knocking on your door, and ask if you saw something, you have to answer them truthfully (or refuse to answer, which may lead to a different set of consequences). But you don't have to seek them out.

Think of all those people, 30 some-odd years ago, who heard that woman in NY screaming as she was being raped and killed. No one reported it. None of them were charged with a crime.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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They should have been charged with criminal lack of humanity. :angry:
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Jan 3 2008, 09:29 AM
They should have been charged with criminal lack of humanity. :angry:

True. You're allowed to scorn them all you want.

Or shun them. I'd certainly shun my neighbors if they saw my house being robbed and didn't call the police.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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