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Totally not politically correct....; don't open if you might be offended
Topic Started: Jan 1 2008, 06:26 PM (2,477 Views)
Aqua Letifer
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Jan 4 2008, 10:53 AM
Aqua Letifer
Jan 4 2008, 11:50 AM
ivorythumper
Jan 4 2008, 10:46 AM

I think that qualifies as a working definition of emotionally truncated and relationally impaired.  :thumb:

How so? What qualities of the emotionally truncated or relationally impaired would coincide with telling jokes at the expense of others? I don't see the correlation.

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An inability to laugh at oneself is in my opinion another clear indication of impairment.
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what drives someone to tell jokes at the expense of other people?

what do you think relationships with others are about? dominance? ego gratification? love? service? acceptance?

what do you think are indicators of an emotionally and relationally healthy person?
what do you think are indicators of an emotionally and relationally unhealthy person?
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Jan 4 2008, 11:56 AM
An inability to laugh at oneself is in my opinion another clear indication of impairment.

Indeed. How does that map on to mocking others and things others hold as value?

Does being able to laugh at oneself give carte blanche to deride other people?
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Jan 4 2008, 10:56 AM
An inability to laugh at oneself is in my opinion another clear indication of impairment.

It may, but I generally don't like these kinds of maxims. They sound good and appear to be intelligent but they certainly don't always hold true.

For example, the person who makes jokes at the expense of others. Sure, sometimes that means this person has their own issues and takes it out on others as a way to feel better about them. But sometimes they're just fine with the way they are; he or she is just a jackass.
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Jan 4 2008, 02:01 PM
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An inability to laugh at oneself is in my opinion another clear indication of impairment.

Indeed. How does that map on to mocking others and things others hold as value?

Does being able to laugh at oneself give carte blanche to deride other people?

In my case, yes. Not in your case. Please don't laugh at me anymore, it's not funny.
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Jan 4 2008, 02:01 PM
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Jan 4 2008, 10:56 AM
An inability to laugh at oneself is in my opinion another clear indication of impairment.

It may, but I generally don't like these kinds of maxims. They sound good and appear to be intelligent but they certainly don't always hold true.

What do you mean 'APPEAR' intelligent? Are you trying to say I'm a bit of a thickie? You are emotionally crippled and probably stunted in other ways which I'm too polite to mention.
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Jan 4 2008, 10:59 AM
what drives someone to tell jokes at the expense of other people?

Well like I said, sometimes it makes the person feel better about his or herself, to put down others. A lot of inner struggle might be the motivation driving their actions. But I think just as often, a person will see nothing wrong with what he or she is doing, and he or she is simply insensitive to the feelings of others. It may not go any deeper than that.

Those come from different psychological conditions.

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what do you think relationships with others are about? dominance? ego gratification? love? service? acceptance?


Mostly getting something out of one another. As a species humanity groups together because the individual benefits of being in a group are larger than the benefits of living independently.
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Jan 4 2008, 10:56 AM
An inability to laugh at oneself is in my opinion another clear indication of impairment.

It may, but I generally don't like these kinds of maxims. They sound good and appear to be intelligent but they certainly don't always hold true.

What do you mean 'APPEAR' intelligent? Are you trying to say I'm a bit of a thickie? You are emotionally crippled and probably stunted in other ways which I'm too polite to mention.

:lol: I didn't notice it sounded that way until just now.
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Anybody who doesn't find my jokes hysterically funny is by definition emotionally crippled. Quite often, that's pretty much everyone other than me, but hey, we can't all be perfect, can we? I ALWAYS laugh at my own jokes, in order to ensure that everyone realises how funny they are.
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I generally laugh at everyone, including myself. Humans are funny animals. Life itself is pretty funny. None of us are getting out of this alive. Might as well laugh and piss in Death's eye while doing it. :cheers:
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Jan 4 2008, 10:59 AM
what drives someone to tell jokes at the expense of other people?

Well like I said, sometimes it makes the person feel better about his or herself, to put down others. A lot of inner struggle might be the motivation driving their actions. But I think just as often, a person will see nothing wrong with what he or she is doing, and he or she is simply insensitive to the feelings of others. It may not go any deeper than that.

Those come from different psychological conditions.

You are basically describing someone who is emotionally truncated and/or relationally impaired.
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Jan 4 2008, 12:14 PM
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Speak for yourself. Even now, my assistant, Igor, is preparing the ... volunteer ... recipient into which my magnificent brain will be transplanted.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Target rich environment.... :leaving:

But lucky for you I just staked out all this moral high ground. :lol:
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Jan 4 2008, 10:59 AM
what drives someone to tell jokes at the expense of other people?

what do you think relationships with others are about? dominance? ego gratification? love? service? acceptance?

what do you think are indicators of an emotionally and relationally healthy person?
what do you think are indicators of an emotionally and relationally unhealthy person?

If one is really honest with oneself, it becomes readily apparent that nearly all humor is at the expenses of someone else. The only humor that is really benign is self-depracating humor. All you have to do is listen to any contemporary comedian, and the things that make people roar the most with laughter are the ones that make humor out of some ethnic, religious, political, you-name-it group.

It's certainly natural to not laugh at humor poked at your own group. When it's a group I identify with (e.g. Democrats or Lutherans) I often can laugh, but if not, I can usually slough it off. If the humor is poked at me individually, it depends on whether the person is doing it antagonistically or in spirit of fun (laughing with me, not at me). If it's the former, well, I chalk that up to mean-spiritedness. I'm pretty much game for anything else.

But, let's face it. Humor is almost always at the expense of someone else.
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Jan 4 2008, 11:15 AM

You are basically describing someone who is emotionally truncated and/or relationally impaired.

Well I think we agree on the possible causes for that kind of behavior, I just don't know if I agree with your vocabulary.

Relationally impaired.... okay, I'll leave that one. But "emotionally truncated" to me doesn't sound right. I don't think these people are necessarily short on emotions, they sound more like they're "emotionally mismatched"; they don't feel the same way about the above situations as a healthier individual would.
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Jan 4 2008, 02:14 PM
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None of us are getting out of this alive.


Speak for yourself. Even now, my assistant, Igor, is preparing the ... volunteer ... recipient into which my magnificent brain will be transplanted.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:lol2:

I plan on living forever. So far, so good... :D
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"emotionally truncated" -- what does that mean, is there a reference for it in the DSM?

"relationally impaired" -- what does that mean, is there a reference for it in the DSM?

Or did you just make them up? :huh:
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Elephantly truncated.... Throw peanuts!

Relationally impaired... There are lots of people with family trees that don't fork, down here... :sombrero:
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Jan 4 2008, 12:29 PM
"emotionally truncated" -- what does that mean, is there a reference for it in the DSM?

"relationally impaired" -- what does that mean, is there a reference for it in the DSM?

Or did you just make them up? :huh:

Words, Ax, they are words. Is the meaning that opaque?
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Let's face it, the only reason for not making a joke at someone else's expense once in a while is an inability to do so. Never mind emotional truncation or relational impairment, if you don't do jokes it's because you're not bloody funny.
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John D'Oh
Jan 4 2008, 03:38 PM
Let's face it, the only reason for not making a joke at someone else's expense once in a while is an inability to do so. Never mind emotional truncation or relational impairment, if you don't do jokes it's because you're not bloody funny.

That was the unfunniest thing you ever said, John.

But it's definitely true. :lol:
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John D'Oh
Jan 4 2008, 12:38 PM
Let's face it, the only reason for not making a joke at someone else's expense once in a while is an inability to do so. Never mind emotional truncation or relational impairment, if you don't do jokes it's because you're not bloody funny.

Reminds me of the last scene in "Ridicule" when the two expat Frenchmen are trying to understand what this British "humour" is compared to wittiness. :lol:
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Given the usual condition of British weather and British cuisine, if they didn't have a sharp sense of humour, they'd be even madder than they already are!
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