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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 30 2007, 09:28 PM (1,134 Views) | |
| The 89th Key | Dec 30 2007, 09:28 PM Post #1 |
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I heard that in one of the bills recently passed by congress, that the current incandescent light bulbs will have to be phased out in a couple years making the new compact fluorescent light bulbs the norm. As a general question, how is this any of the government's business? I understand and support the government stepping into business or consumer matters when there is a clear risk or practice going on that needs to be stopped...but I hardly think this situation calls for government intrusion. Am I wrong to think that this is not the government's role and that even though these new bulbs are pretty great (last longer, uses less energy, etc), they have no right or even an obligation to dictate that current incandescent light bulbs aren't allowed to be sold any more?? ![]()
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| George K | Dec 30 2007, 09:31 PM Post #2 |
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Though I don't have an answer to your question - I'll leave that to the legal eagles here - I have a corollary question that's a bit more practical. What happens to those of us that use floodlights? I think there are CFL equivalents for that, but what if you have them on dimmers? My understanding is that you can't put CFL's on dimmer switches. |
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| Phlebas | Dec 30 2007, 09:42 PM Post #3 |
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It's about time. Seriously, as George said, they don't work with dimmers. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| ivorythumper | Dec 30 2007, 09:57 PM Post #4 |
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They also don't work with photo sensitive switches and motion activated switches -- they burn out very quickly.
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| Frank_W | Dec 30 2007, 09:59 PM Post #5 |
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They are utter sh*t. Someone needs to duct tape iGore's mouth shut. |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| CTPianotech | Dec 31 2007, 02:22 AM Post #6 |
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Since the Constitution clearly gives them the authority to decide how much water our toilets can hold, surely this is within their power as well. |
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| JBryan | Dec 31 2007, 06:00 AM Post #7 |
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These bulbs do very little to solve a problem we are not even really certain we have and, in exchange, will represent a very real environmental hazard when millions of them find their way into every day use. Am I the only one who finds this irrational? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| George K | Dec 31 2007, 06:03 AM Post #8 |
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But, but, but.... They use less electricity. They last forever (well, years, at least) They give off less heat. They make me feel better. Those are all good reasons, no? That should be enough - especially #4. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 06:09 AM Post #9 |
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I thought I read somewhere that the new generation of CFLs solves the dimmer switch problem. As to whether they can do it, of course they can. It's part of energy conservation, and energy conservation is part of our national security. Or hadn't you heard? As to whether they should do it, that's a different story entirely. Perhaps they should just put a tax on the incandescents sufficient to make them carbon-neutral. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 06:13 AM Post #10 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Here's the story, 89th.
http://www.thedailygreen.com/green-homes/e...ulbs-ban-461217 |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Dec 31 2007, 06:18 AM Post #11 |
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One of the concerns about CFL's has been the mercury. Granted, the small amount of mercury in one bulb that breaks in your house now and then is not a big deal. But, when we start landfilling millions of these things, what happens? Has that been worked out? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 06:21 AM Post #12 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I don't know about mercury. Here's a U.S. News & World Report article. Of particular interest:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/ec...we-know-it.html |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Dec 31 2007, 06:22 AM Post #13 |
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I found similar sources, thanks Quirt. I have recessed lights in my ceilings, and most of them are on dimmers. I was unable to find dimmable CFL floods. I'm sure it's only a matter of time. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 06:23 AM Post #14 |
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Here's what that story says about mercury:
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Dec 31 2007, 06:26 AM Post #15 |
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Never Mind... |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 06:28 AM Post #16 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Doesn't matter. I'm waiting for LEDs. I hate the light quality from CFLs, even the lower Kelvin ones that are supposedly redder. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 06:33 AM Post #17 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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An interesting blogsquib on LEDs:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/beyond-the-bar...n-brighter.html Can you tell that I REALLY REALLY don't want to start cleaning for my New Year's Eve party?
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Dec 31 2007, 06:35 AM Post #18 |
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This assumes that the percentage of our electricity produced by coal fired plants will remain constant or that nothing will be done in the future to reduce their emissions of mercury, both rather faulty assumptions. Indeed, the EPA is working right now to drastically reduce such emissions. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Dec 31 2007, 06:57 AM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I agree, Quirt, my complaint is about the quality of light. My house feels orange under the flourescent lights, and it depresses me. Seriously. I am relying on American ingenuity to invent a flourescent bulb that emits quality light; looks attractive in exposed outlets, and can be dimmed. I assume all of this can/will happen, but I am not happy about the current flourescent choices that I see for sale. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 07:06 AM Post #20 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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George posted a link a while back where you could order LED light bulbs online. I keep meaning to try one. They're expensive, but the energy savings is substantial, and they are supposed to last forever. I even asked at the hardware store about them, thinking I'd try one out, but of course the local hardware store doesn't carry them yet. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 31 2007, 07:08 AM Post #21 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Well, sort of. What do you mean by "working"? |
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| JBryan | Dec 31 2007, 07:10 AM Post #22 |
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I am the grey one
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LED lighting makes a lot more sense to me. We have already been using them on communications towers because of their long life (it costs a lot to get someone to climb up there and replace them). I cannot imagine any adverse environmental impacts over and above incandescants as they are, basically, a hunk of silicon. They do cost more but that cost will very likely come down until their longer life would be offsetting or better. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| JBryan | Dec 31 2007, 07:12 AM Post #23 |
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What do you mean by ""working"" or can you elaborate beyond a snarky aside? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 31 2007, 07:16 AM Post #24 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Well, snarky asides are my thing, d00d. However, I can elaborate. The Clear Skies Act of 2003, which took some work to create I suppose, doesn't introduce stricter requirements on emissions. It actually weakens them. Specifically, it allows for more mercury emissions than would be present if the Clean Air Act were fully enforced. |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2007, 07:21 AM Post #25 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Moreover, given the EPA's recent rejection of California's efforts to establish tougher emissions standards, it's unclear that the Bush Administration EPA is actually in favor of cleaner air. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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