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right to privacy; international rankings (esp for mark!)
Topic Started: Dec 29 2007, 11:37 PM (233 Views)
bachophile
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http://www.privacyinternational.org/

go to link on leading surveillance societies...

here is the blurb on the us...(scroll down)

No right to privacy in constitution, though search and seizure protections exist in 4th Amendment; case law on government searches has considered new technology
No comprehensive privacy law, many sectoral laws; though tort of privacy
FTC continues to give inadequate attention to privacy issues, though issued self-regulating privacy guidelines on advertising in 2007
State-level data breach legislation has proven to be useful in identifying faults in security
REAL-ID and biometric identification programs continue to spread without adequate oversight, research, and funding structures
Extensive data-sharing programs across federal government and with private sector
Spreading use of CCTV
Congress approved presidential program of spying on foreign communications over U.S. networks, e.g. Gmail, Hotmail, etc.; and now considering immunity for telephone companies, while government claims secrecy, thus barring any legal action
No data retention law as yet, but equally no data protection law
World leading in border surveillance, mandating trans-border data flows
Weak protections of financial and medical privacy; plans spread for 'rings of steel' around cities to monitor movements of individuals
Democratic safeguards tend to be strong but new Congress and political dynamics show that immigration and terrorism continue to leave politicians scared and without principle
Lack of action on data breach legislation on the federal level while REAL-ID is still compelled upon states has shown that states can make informed decisions
Recent news regarding FBI biometric database raises particular concerns as this could lead to the largest database of biometrics around the world that is not protected by strong privacy law
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JBryan
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Any such "study" that ranks the US and UK with China is bogus. Hysterical might be a better word.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


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Klaus
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According to this site, Greece is the only country in the world that has at least half-decent privacy standards!

:tomato:
Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman
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Axtremus
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JBryan
Dec 30 2007, 05:30 AM
Any such "study" that ranks the US and UK with China is bogus. Hysterical might be a better word.

UK & US have more surveillence technologies than any one else, are the most vocal & newly traumatized by terrorism. The Chinese government may have less respect and less intention to uphold privacy rights, but they don't have the technology or the infrastructure that the UK & the US have. So what's so incredulous about ranking China with US & UK at the bottom?
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Klaus
Dec 30 2007, 06:33 AM
According to this site, Greece is the only country in the world that has at least half-decent privacy standards!

:tomato:

Good place to go vacation without having your fingerprints scanned at the border, eh? ;)

Germany & Canada ranked on top in the 2006 survey. What happened?
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Klaus
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Axtremus
Dec 30 2007, 01:32 PM
Germany & Canada ranked on top in the 2006 survey. What happened?

I don't know about Canada, but in Germany some things have changed. For example, passports contain biometric data now, and it has become easier for the police to surveilance suspects.. However, all this is still a far cry from something like the "Patriot Act" in the US.
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JBryan
Dec 30 2007, 04:30 AM
Any such "study" that ranks the US and UK with China is bogus. Hysterical might be a better word.

I'm sure it's no coincidence that their two offices are in the UK and US.

Maybe the terrorists could use this list to figure out which countries are the easiest to bomb.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Klaus
Dec 30 2007, 04:45 AM
and it has become easier for the police to surveilance suspects..

Verb 1. surveil

fwiw
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JBryan
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Axtremus
Dec 30 2007, 05:25 AM
JBryan
Dec 30 2007, 05:30 AM
Any such "study" that ranks the US and UK with China is bogus. Hysterical might be a better word.

UK & US have more surveillence technologies than any one else, are the most vocal & newly traumatized by terrorism. The Chinese government may have less respect and less intention to uphold privacy rights, but they don't have the technology or the infrastructure that the UK & the US have. So what's so incredulous about ranking China with US & UK at the bottom?

That is just utter nonsense. China is worlds apart from the US & UK with respect to rights to privacy. The technology issue you raise is a cop-out, a red herring. The issue is not how many people and to what degree are under surveillance (China still has us beat in that, BTW. What they lack in technology they make up for in sheer manpower) the issue is what rights do the people enjoy under the law that safeguard their privacy. That is really the question and one this group obfuscates by comparing raw numbers of traffic cameras and biometric data scans with a country for which "probable cause" and "search warrant" literally have no meaning.

Oh, and China has had a fair amount of terrorism itself, mostly from the Islamic western provinces but it is kept to a minimum precisely because it is so difficult to make a move in that country unobserved.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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