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| My Daughter needs a Concerto | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 27 2007, 07:54 PM (671 Views) | |
| DivaDeb | Dec 28 2007, 06:11 PM Post #26 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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:lol: you're on! Laissez le bon temps rouler! |
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| Axtremus | Dec 28 2007, 06:57 PM Post #27 |
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Tom, All joking aside, I thought about it -- and it sure is hard to pick one without knowing much about the competition at all. That said, I look at the pieces that you said your daughter is working on and noticed that they are all short, "smaller" pieces. No heffty "lengthy" multi-movement work. So, uhm, may be pick a short concerto (as short as is allowed by the competition rule) if possible. Then probably pay attention to stamina development, memorization (carefully plan many "pick up" points along the long, multi-movement work), and memory slip recovery techniques. Also, if your daughter is accustomed only to performing solo, then she might also want to work on "following" other's timing a bit. Playing solo or playing in a "leading" role where you control all the timing is one thing, playing with others where you have to follow other's (e.g., the conductor's) timing is another. Depending on the personality, it may be a matter of simple instruction and practice, or it may be a matter of "attitude adjustment." In any case, good luck.
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| pianojerome | Dec 28 2007, 07:08 PM Post #28 |
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Who says she has to follow the conductor's tempo? ![]() But the age old question still remains: "In a concerto, who is the boss (audience laughter) the soloist or the conductor?" (Audience laughter grows louder) The answer is, of course, sometimes the one and sometimes the other depending on the people involved. But almost always, the two manage to get together by persuasion or charm or even threats (audience laughs) to achieve a unified performance. I have only once before in my life, had to submit to a soloist's wholly new and incompatible concept and that was the last time I accompanied Mr. Gould. (audience laughs loudly) -- Leonard Bernstein |
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| Axtremus | Dec 28 2007, 07:11 PM Post #29 |
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OK, Sam, I missed a "sometimes" qualifier in there. :lol: |
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| DivaDeb | Dec 28 2007, 07:18 PM Post #30 |
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I don't know that I'd worry too much about the accompaniment issue for this contest. Usually, when an organization has a Young Artist competition with a performance as part of the prize, they alot a fair amount of rehearsal, and assume they will be doing some instruction on how to work with the orchestra and the conductor. I'd just prepare my piece, play the snot out of it, then worry about being a good ensemble player once I'm scheduled to play. It will be okay. |
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| Phlebas | Dec 28 2007, 07:42 PM Post #31 |
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Well, she'll have to do the competition with an accompanist, I assume. The performance for the winner(s) would be with orchestra. If she rehearses with an accompanist, she'll get used to the ensemble. It's not a big deal. |
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| DivaDeb | Dec 28 2007, 08:31 PM Post #32 |
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yeah, I agree...the conductor will be a new thing to deal with, but there's a first time for everything....you just...do it. |
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| LWpianistin | Dec 28 2007, 08:47 PM Post #33 |
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I hate following a conductor. |
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| DivaDeb | Dec 28 2007, 09:02 PM Post #34 |
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so don't :lol: I love conductors. Honest. Well....most of them. I did occasional work for one who we all agreed to pay no attention to. The entire cast, ensemble, even the orchestra cued everything off the concert master. The conductor was totally redundant |
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| kathyk | Dec 29 2007, 10:17 AM Post #35 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Yup. The Haydn is a good pick. It's really nice, fairly short and not too difficult. Another possibility: Gershwin Concertro in F |
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| LWpianistin | Dec 29 2007, 10:19 AM Post #36 |
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I played with the Wind Symphony for 6 weeks, and then told the conductor that I hated it, so he let me stop. No one could hear the piano anyway. It was a good experience, because now I know what it's like, but I'll stick to teaching, music history, and solo stuff. |
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| pianojerome | Dec 29 2007, 11:02 AM Post #37 |
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Yup, I was thinking of the Gershwin, too. I first met my current piano teacher in January 2005 -- almost 3 years ago. We were walking in a stairwell, and he mentioned that he was working on the Gershwin Concerto. "It's very tricky, but a lot of fun to work on." Funny, the things we remember. I even remember, quite vividly, the very first second I saw this teacher, and exactly what he said (and the teacher I had before him, too). |
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| TomK | Dec 29 2007, 12:30 PM Post #38 |
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Thanks!!! Gershwin seems pretty cool and a quite unexpected choice. Might be nice, it sounds a bit difficult, but the girl needs to see the music. Just curious, but would Rhapsody in Blue be a Concerto? Why we may do this Concerto thing is just what Ax mentioned. My daughter does a lot of short things--all nice, but it would be interesting for her to do a longer piece. FWIW, my daughter also plays cello in school (going to all state to play in the All State orchestra,) and also accompanies a friend who's a singer. They do the rounds of the old age homes--my daughter's friend sings Boadway stuff mostly, not my daughter's favorite--but they do work together nicely (actually they're writing a take off of High School Musical called Middle School Melodrama :rolleyes: that they may try to get the school's drama and orchestra teachers to put on in the spring.) |
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| kathyk | Dec 29 2007, 12:58 PM Post #39 |
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Wow, cello, too. Sounds pretty talented. Puffin pulled a fast one this year. She plays violin - reasonably well, but under duress. She claims to it will all of her heart. She's played in the All States the past couple years which is her only orchestra experience as our school doesn't have a string program. She conveniently forgot to give me the registration form in time to sign up for the audition and her space cadet teacher never mentioned it to me. Boy, did that ever set me off! After restraining myself from serious child abuse until I could sleep on it, I decided on an appropriate punishment. She and I and her teacher will soon be doing a stint of nursing home performances. PS: Rhapsody in Blue is not typically a concerto. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if it's been arranged as such. Edit: I take that back. It has been. Now I'm confused. I thought it was originally orchestral. I've settled my confusion thanks to the power of Wiki. It was originally written for piano and jazz band and was transcribed by some other guy in the 40s for piano and full orchestra. Elena and Laura play a two piano version that would knock your socks off. It's a tough piece - regardless of the transcription. |
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| mrenaud | Dec 29 2007, 01:03 PM Post #40 |
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It may not have the word "concerto" in its name, but it certainly is one. Another one-movement concerto which happens to be a favourite of mine is this one: Tôru Takemitsu: riverrun Certainly not one a judge would have heard hundreds of times before. |
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| Radu | Dec 29 2007, 01:13 PM Post #41 |
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... and quite unplayable for someone without huge hands and good jazz education. And... why did her teacher ask YOU for suggestions ? And why are YOU paying HER ? |
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| Radu | Dec 29 2007, 01:16 PM Post #42 |
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Don't think ! It's dangerous ! Women should cook ... not that there are many women chefs..
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| kathyk | Dec 29 2007, 01:51 PM Post #43 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Thanks but no thanks. I have very much fulfilled my Suzy Homemaker urges for the time being. I just did a Thanksgiving style turkey dinner yesterday, a standing rib roast one the day before, a cajun chicken liver one the day before, etc., all on top of days of baking a ridiculous amount of holidays sweets, trying to fatten up my oldest child before waving goodbye to him today. And now I have a ton of left overs to deal with. :wacko: |
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| Frank_W | Dec 29 2007, 01:55 PM Post #44 |
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Happy Birthday to your daughter, Tom!
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| TomK | Dec 29 2007, 01:55 PM Post #45 |
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My daughter has the huge hands. C to D. No jazz though. She's pretty Caucasian. That is literally from the Caucaus Mountains. :rolleyes: As far as asking the piano teacher--I'm kind of odd-- for some reason I'm a complete stooge about most piano things, but for odd reasons I can wax rhapsodic about the smallest and most intricate parts of piano manufacture, or speak brilliantly about obscure melodies and pieces. I must be influenced by the people I hang out with. :lol:But is Rhaposdy in Blue a Concerto? I'm really curious. Hey Frank--thanks! Only 50 more years and I'm dead and I don't have to worry about them anymore. :lol:
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| DivaDeb | Dec 29 2007, 03:34 PM Post #46 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I think yeah, for all intents and purposes, the Gershwin is a concerto...however...some of the orchestra solos are pretty virtuoistic. What do y'all think the chances are of a youth symphony having a clarinet player who can pull that off? (not to mention the brass...you need a ton of them and they all really have to be able to play) |
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