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My Daughter needs a Concerto
Topic Started: Dec 27 2007, 07:54 PM (672 Views)
TomK
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The local yute symphony does a kids concerto competition from 8th grade to a senior in HS.

My daughter's friend (also 8th grade,) is doing Hummel's Concerto in Bm. Anything you might suggest that might be comparable, yet kid friendly?
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When I was young, my brother and I played Catherine Rollin's "Concerto Romantique." It was not originally for piano and orchestra (just 2 pianos), but I think she did write up an orchestra part when one of her students won a competition to play it with an orchestra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5krrUSWXqI

Lots of fun, and written with young students in mind... I don't know how easy or difficult it would be to find the orchestra part, though.
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DivaDeb
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Tom, what else is she playing these days and what music does she love to play most? A concerto is a big undertaking. She needs to have an affinity for the music in addition to it being a challenge technically, but not an overwhelming one.
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What music does she like (besides Chopin :) )?

What else has she played?

When is the competition (ie, how long does she have to learn it.)?
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TomK
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Well, she has a year to learn it--which is a long time. On the other hand it's not a done deal. Her friend is doing it and she thought it might be interesting to maybe look over a score or two and see if is something she wants to get into.

Right now she's doing (at various stages of completion)
Chopin's Etude in Bm Op25 #10
Debussy's Girl with the flaxen Hair
Brahm's Intermesso Op. 118 #2 (thanks Sam!)
Ravel's Pavane for a Dead Princess
Scriabin Etude Op 8 #12

Some are pretty much finished and she's just brushing them up.

Thanks everyone.
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Do they play a full concerto - or a movement from a concerto?
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TomK
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The entire thing. this is the Program:

Ssarasota Youth Symphony

Well, that site tells you about it--they don't have any site for the rules, etc.

Open to 8th through 12 graders.

As I said my daughter's friend is doing that Hummel piece for next year.
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Maybe look at Beethoven 2.
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Dave Spelvin
Dec 28 2007, 03:36 PM
Saint-Saens 2

or Ravel:

1st movement

2nd movement

3rd movement



since she's playing the Pavane and some Debussy.
Sam
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I would have to say that both the Ravel, and the Saint-Saens are pretty difficult for a first concerto. I would pick something different, and maybe wither the Ravel, SS, Grieg, Schumann, or (possibly) Liszt Eb for the following year.
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By the way, Tom - ask your daughter to look at the middle section of the Brahms intermezzo, the part that has repeat marks around it, and play just the middle voice by itself (the quarter notes -- C# F# E D C B...). See if it sounds at all familiar. ;)

(and then, after the big chords that follow, there's another passage where that middle voice is now in the top voice, and look what's in the middle voice...)



Brahms is so cool. :cool:
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TomK
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Thank you all so much--we'll look at them all. Do any of you know the Hummel piece? Is that difficult?

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Also, if she like Mozart, look at 414, 415, 246, 238, 413, and maybe 459.
Also, maybe even the Mendelssohn #1 - lots of fun to play.
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How about Prokofiev 1?
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TomK
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Dec 28 2007, 04:59 PM
How about Prokofiev 1?

She did that when she was 9.

Too much baby type banging for her. :lol:
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I would like the Schumann. For a young audience, you want something they can understand and perhaps enjoy. The Schumann delivers - it has very decent piano and orchestral beauty - is accessible and should make your daughter seem amazing.

At the same time, it's important that whatever your daughter play - that she really enjoy it. I would suggest that she not reach too far - i.e. Rachmainoff or Brahms - but short of that - something she can enjoy.
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DivaDeb
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Also...do some checking about what winners of previous (especially recent) competitions played. There are several reasons for this. First, it will give you a better idea of what that orchestra is liable to be up to playing...and that is a big consideration when picking a winner for a competition that features a concert opportunity for the winner. They are not likely to pick a winner who's playing a piece that will make the orchestra look bad. In addition to that, finding out what prior winners played will help you avoid picking the same piece the winner played in the last competition. Whether or not it's fair...they presumably have an audience to think of, and I doubt they would be too keen on picking a string of winners who all play the same concerto.

As a person with a long contest history, I strongly suggest stacking the deck as much as possible, especially with a year to prepare.
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Perhaps a silly question, but is she (TomK's daughter) entering the competition to win or "for the experience" or have some other higher priority objective than "to win"? :blink:

Also, is there a reason her piano teacher cannot sufficiently help her pick a concerto? :unsure:
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TomK
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Dec 28 2007, 09:09 PM
Perhaps a silly question, but is she (TomK's daughter) entering the competition to win or "for the experience" or have some other higher priority objective than "to win"? :blink:

Also, is there a reason her piano teacher cannot sufficiently help her pick a concerto? :unsure:

My daughter brought up the idea to her piano teacher. (My daughter's friend was doing the compotition.) The piano teacher thought it was a good idea--then asked me if I had any suggestions.

As far as winning goes--it would be nice, (she regularly wins county and state compositional awards,) but I don't know her chances for something like this.

It's much easier to compose a good tune than to play a great tune perfectly. I honestly don't know her motives.

Honestly Ax--the end is getting into a first rate college, not as music as an end in itself. I think.

Ken, thanks. She'll defintely look into the Schumann! Thanks.

Deb--thanks, too--these people are pretty vague about the contest in general. No website no nothing. I need to find out lots more. My daughter's piano teacher isn't that "connected" in the art scene in town. I need to find out more.
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DivaDeb
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For me, the reason for entering contests was always to win. I did exacty one competition (Met Auditions when I was 18) for "experience." Won it. After that, looking to cover my behind with 'experience' seemed cowardly....but that is just me. I'm very competitive. Wanna play Monopoly?

:lol:
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Easy, Tom!

TomK
Dec 28 2007, 09:29 PM
As far as winning goes--it would be nice, (she regularly wins county and state compositional awards,) but I don't know her chances for something like this.

Buy off the judges.

TomK
Dec 28 2007, 09:29 PM
Honestly Ax--the end is getting into a first rate college, not as music as an end in itself.  I think.

Donate a library.

Done! :)
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TomK
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Dec 28 2007, 09:48 PM
For me, the reason for entering contests was always to win. I did exacty one competition (Met Auditions when I was 18) for "experience." Won it. After that, looking to cover my behind with 'experience' seemed cowardly....but that is just me. I'm very competitive. Wanna play Monopoly?

:lol:

:thumb: Deb you are wonderful.

that's exactly how I have always approached life. I play to win. I think I've done a good job so far teaching my daughter's that lesson--this concerto thing is to new for us to get a handle on it.

But the thing the "K" family does best is win. We are competitive. My family will not only play Monopoly with your family--the winner takes the looser's youngest kid. :thumb: :lol:


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TomK
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Dec 28 2007, 09:59 PM
Easy, Tom!

TomK
Dec 28 2007, 09:29 PM
As far as winning goes--it would be nice, (she regularly wins county and state compositional awards,) but I don't know her chances for something like this.

Buy off the judges.

TomK
Dec 28 2007, 09:29 PM
Honestly Ax--the end is getting into a first rate college, not as music as an end in itself.  I think.

Donate a library.

Done! :)

Fair point--but I'd say people win such compotitions as frequently if they are just doing it for the "points" than as if they really cared.

There is really no difference in ability or in final outcome.
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