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This is the Kind of Guy I Could Vote For
Topic Started: Dec 27 2007, 05:31 AM (617 Views)
QuirtEvans
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Among the Republican candidates, Mr. McCain, 71, of Arizona, has the greatest number of children, who span four decades, two marriages, numerous states and a broad swath of the political spectrum. But they are largely absent in a primary battle in which families — and all that their presence implies — are central ornaments.

Yet unlike the absent children of Rudolph W. Giuliani, who have strained relations with their father, the McCain children speak with endearment of Mr. McCain. They have maintained close relations with him in spite of long absences during childhood, a period of intense disappointment — among his older children when Mr. McCain remarried — and the breadth of geography and generations.

As they did in childhood, the McCain children still find one another by their father’s side: in rafting boats, on hikes in the Grand Canyon, on mopeds in Bermuda and relaxing in Arizona.

“I think he’d prefer the family kind of stayed private,” said Doug McCain, who at 48 is Mr. McCain’s oldest child and one of his four sons, and is a pilot for American Airlines. “I just think he is a big believer in individuals doing their own thing.”

Although his youngest sons are in the military — Jack, 21, attends the United States Naval Academy and Jimmy, 19, is a marine stationed in Iraq — Mr. McCain is loath to invoke their names when he defends his foreign policy positions, even once when Jimmy was sitting in the audience before deployment. (Hardly anyone knew he was there.)

On a recent stop in South Carolina, as a mother who had lost her son in Iraq began to suggest that Mr. McCain understood her plight because of Jimmy, Mr. McCain gently motioned for her to stop.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/us/polit...ainkids.html?hp
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Mikhailoh
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Sounds right to me.
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RosemaryTwo
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I read that this morning.

The man deserves consideration.
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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Free Rider
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I gotta admit that I take politicians war rhetoric more seriously if they're actually sending their own children into the fray.


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Dec 27 2007, 07:11 AM
I gotta admit that I take politicians war rhetoric more seriously if they're actually sending their own children into the fray.

:thumb:

I hold a *lot* of respect for Mr. McCain.

He went through Hell for his country.



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QuirtEvans
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The thing is, you know he'd get mileage from trumpeting his kids' military service. But he doesn't do it.

Unlike practically everyone else in the race ... and his blip with the religious right notwithstanding ... he seems like a guy who won't do things that violate his principles, just to improve his chances. He actually has principles, and they are broader and deeper than "I should be President". Aside from Mike Huckabee, who else can you say that about?

He also sounds like a great father ... and a great leader and a great father share a lot of important characteristics.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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McCain 2008 baby!

...if Thompson doesn't get the nomination. :whome:
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RosemaryTwo
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Does his divorce bother anyone?

"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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Dec 27 2007, 10:21 AM
Does his divorce bother anyone?

He's clearly a flawed human being, unlike Mitt Romney for example, who has managed to attain perfection. I wonder if the American people will be able to cope with the idea of a flawed human being leading them on, particularly after the last two magnificent examples of almost perfect human magnificence.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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QuirtEvans
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By the way, speaking of the current and soon-to-be-but-it-can't-be-soon-enough former occupant of the White House, there are rumors floating around ... just rumors ... that Laura plans to leave him sometime in 2009. Early 2009.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
Dec 27 2007, 07:48 AM
By the way, speaking of the current and soon-to-be-but-it-can't-be-soon-enough former occupant of the White House, there are rumors floating around ... just rumors ... that Laura plans to leave him sometime in 2009. Early 2009.

That would be shocking.
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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Not gonna happen. :yawn:
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So far McCain has my vote. :biggrin:
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QuirtEvans
Dec 27 2007, 08:48 AM
By the way, speaking of the current and soon-to-be-but-it-can't-be-soon-enough former occupant of the White House, there are rumors floating around ... just rumors ... that Laura plans to leave him sometime in 2009. Early 2009.

Wasn't it you who was saying last year that there were rumors that Laura had moved out of the WH and into a local hotel? What ever happened to those rumors?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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RosemaryTwo
Dec 27 2007, 08:21 AM
Does his divorce bother anyone?

Does it bother you?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Dec 27 2007, 12:59 PM
QuirtEvans
Dec 27 2007, 08:48 AM
By the way, speaking of the current and soon-to-be-but-it-can't-be-soon-enough former occupant of the White House, there are rumors floating around ... just rumors ... that Laura plans to leave him sometime in 2009.  Early 2009.

Wasn't it you who was saying last year that there were rumors that Laura had moved out of the WH and into a local hotel? What ever happened to those rumors?

The perpetrators went scuba diving wearing concrete flippers. Or is that just a rumour?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Dec 27 2007, 09:59 AM
RosemaryTwo
Dec 27 2007, 08:21 AM
Does his divorce bother anyone?

Does it bother you?

I'm not sure.

In general, I don't condemn people for divorce; I understand there are real reasons why this is the only choice for some people. I also value the vows of marriage, however, and respect people who can hold it together for decade after decade.

I don't know why McCain got a divorce. I'm not sure if it's my business or not, but I would think differently of him if he just decided to up and have an affair on a very dedicated and loving wife.

His personality seems to be one of duty and honor. Seems like the kind of man who would do just about anything to save a marriage.

I am sincerely interested in the thoughts/insights of others on this.
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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Eh, I feel the same way you do about divorce, R2, but marital status is not something I pay any attention to when I'm voting. You can have a bad situation with a more "nuclear" family as well; for example, staying in a crappy marriage to make nice on the campaign trail. Either way I don't think it says anything about their integrity.

I don't look at "values" when I'm voting anyways. Cut out what they say or appear to be, and just give me what they've done via relevant work/voting history.

I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Divorce doesn't bother me unless, as you say, R2, it was for a reason that indicates poor character (like...wife beating, or womanizing)...actually, those things bother me even when they don't result in divorce. McCain definitely doesn't strike me as the type to go around socking women, and I suppose just about anyone might make a mistake in an initial choice of life partner. Anybody know anything about that marriage?
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QuirtEvans
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ivorythumper
Dec 27 2007, 12:59 PM
QuirtEvans
Dec 27 2007, 08:48 AM
By the way, speaking of the current and soon-to-be-but-it-can't-be-soon-enough former occupant of the White House, there are rumors floating around ... just rumors ... that Laura plans to leave him sometime in 2009.  Early 2009.

Wasn't it you who was saying last year that there were rumors that Laura had moved out of the WH and into a local hotel? What ever happened to those rumors?

I don't recall saying that. Which is not saying that I didn't, I just don't recall saying that.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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RosemaryTwo
Dec 27 2007, 01:18 PM
ivorythumper
Dec 27 2007, 09:59 AM
RosemaryTwo
Dec 27 2007, 08:21 AM
Does his divorce bother anyone?

Does it bother you?

I'm not sure.

In general, I don't condemn people for divorce; I understand there are real reasons why this is the only choice for some people. I also value the vows of marriage, however, and respect people who can hold it together for decade after decade.

I don't know why McCain got a divorce. I'm not sure if it's my business or not, but I would think differently of him if he just decided to up and have an affair on a very dedicated and loving wife.

His personality seems to be one of duty and honor. Seems like the kind of man who would do just about anything to save a marriage.

I am sincerely interested in the thoughts/insights of others on this.

McCain's divorce doesn't bother me ... pending additional information of the sort everyone else is discussing.

Newt's divorce bothers me, a lot. Giuliani's divorce bothers me. Clinton's conduct in the course of his marriage bothers me.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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I would find it absolutely incredible that someone could support abortion rights yet let a divorce bother them. R2, I don't know that you fit that category, so thi sis not aimed at you - just a thought.
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I will seriously consider voting for him if Hillary or Edwards gets the Democratic nomination.

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I just read a bit about his first marriage on Wiki.

I know he was married before he became a POW for six years or so. I don't know what role if any that played, but I should think it could put a hefty strain on a marriage or affect him in profound ways.

Anyway, I have no issues with him and was glad to read that article Quirt posted.
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"The family represents the foundation of Western Civilization and civil society and John McCain believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. It is only this definition that sufficiently recognizes the vital and unique role played by mothers and fathers in the raising of children, and the role of the family in shaping, stabilizing, and strengthening communities and our nation." John McCain

It's too bad that his definition of "family" excludes children being raised by one parent, or by two women or two men. That his definition of "marriage" to just include a man and a woman is wrong and biased.

Especially since he was divorced. I guess he can talk the talk, but not walk the walk, huh?

Would he admit that his children were without a family duirng the years they were being raised by single parents? That divorce was...how did he put it...."stabilizing, and strengthening communities".

I see him as a hypocrite here.


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