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| QuirtEvans | Dec 24 2007, 02:20 AM Post #26 |
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Daniel, why are you arguing with a sockpuppet? |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 05:02 AM Post #27 |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 05:06 AM Post #28 |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 09:21 AM Post #29 |
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Daniel, are you really, I mean - are you *really* so lacking in your ability to reason that you think a church for blacks, about blacks, focused on blacks, is suddenly using the word African in a context other than blacks? And once again, you've dodged my question. So I'm going to aks it again - If a white candidate belonged to a church with a mission statement celebrating their "whiteness", would that be racist? YES OR NO, Daniel. Don't rattle off reams of someone else's thoughts in an effort to avoid the question. Just give me your answer. I'll tell you what the answer is, Daniel. If Huckabee belonged to a church that celebrated its Whiteness, there would be an uprising among the media and the democrat party and all the lemmings like you calling the man a racist unfit for office, and they would demand that he drop out of the race immediately. On the other hand, you will defend a black man who belongs to a church that celebrates its Blackness because........ he's a democrat. It's that simple, Daniel. |
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| Axtremus | Dec 24 2007, 07:20 PM Post #30 |
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Well, there are quite a few churches for Koreans, about Koreans, and focused on Koreans. Ditto if you substitute "Koreans" with "Japanese" or "Chinese" or, in some cases, down to provincial delineations like "Cantonese" or "Taiwanese". There are also Asian Indian American churches as well. I suppose a case can be made that these are racist churches too, eh? ![]() How about, say, churches for Native Americans, about Native Americans, and focused on Native Americans (or one for a particular Native American tribe, about a particular Native American tribe, and focused on a particular Native American tribe)? Are these churches racist too? How about the Polish National Catholic Church of America? How about the Greek Orthodoxy churches in America? How about the Russian Orthodoxy churches in America? Do you consider any of the above racist? Where do you draw the line, and why? ![]() The point is this: May be, just may be -- there is a legitimate and material difference between "black" and "African," just like there is a difference between "oriental" and Korean/Japanese/Chinese/Asian-Indian, just like there is a difference between "white" and Polish/Greek/Russian, even when it comes to religious congregations. Certainly feel free to disagree. Though if you do, I'd appreciate it if you'd elaborate on why you disagree. Merry Christmas, by the way.
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 08:03 PM Post #31 |
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So you're saying that you have no problem with a Whites Only Church? More specifically, you have no problem with a Whites Only Church that teaches its members they are not to date or marry black people? |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 08:26 PM Post #32 |
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I'm sorry but Afrocentrism and white supremacy have nothing to do with each other. You can play all the word games you want. I'm sure YOU don't have a political motivation for saying something untrue. Merry Christmas. |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 09:10 PM Post #33 |
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Oh, but *you* are the only one using the term "white supremacy", Daniel. So what you are saying is that focusing on being black is not racist, but focusing on being white *is* racist. If you're going to be fair here, you'd have to call the Whites Only Church "Eurocentrist". You're saying the Trinity church isn't being racist, it's just focusing on the members' blackness. So by extension, the church I'm talking about isn't being racist, it's just focusing on its members whiteness. But *you* chose to call that being White Supremist - which means, you would (and in fact just did) call the church I asked you about racist. Here's a news flash for you, Daniel. You're right. If a church built its foundation on being "eurocentrist", focusing on the members' whiteness, and taught their membership they are not to date or marry anyone except other whites, that would be racist. And that's what Trinity teaches, Daniel. So - they're racist. |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 09:22 PM Post #34 |
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This is what you wrote and your intention was clearly to substitute the word Black for White as your later posts made abundantly clear. You have not found one word to support anything you have said. Yet you continue with your smear. You are talking about Congregationalists. The United Church of Christ is hardly some kind of racist cult. Blacks are a minority group, as Ax points out, and the fact that they have their own churches should not be a newsflash to you. |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 09:41 PM Post #35 |
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You're a dumbass, Daniel. You don't even know what a Congregationalist is. They are not traditional UCC, either. But you're not educated enough to sort that one out. They tell their members they are not to date or marry white people. That has nothing to do with celebrating their heritage, and *everything* to do with being racist. The UCC does not teach their white congregations to be white separatists, and to not date or marry blacks. This church does. So, while you want to make excuses for them because you are a political moron who supports Osama, the fact remains that this church teaches their members to be racist. There are lots of black churches that celebrate their heritage without being exclusionary, without being racist. Their racist view are in fact the very reason they are different. You not having the intelligence to figure that one out is beside the point.
Good grief...... of *course* that was my intention, Moron. I made it quite clear that was my intention. That was the whole point... ah what the hell. You're too stupid to even understand what I was getting at. |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 09:57 PM Post #36 |
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Hannity guest on Obama's church: Its "scary doctrine" is "something that you'd see in more like a cult" Tax Deductible Donations to Media Matters On the February 28 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, during a segment discussing the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, the church to which Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) belongs, co-host Sean Hannity stated that "many" call Trinity "separatist," adding that "in some cases, even drawing comparisons to a cult." Guest Erik Rush, a columnist for the conservative website WorldNetDaily, said that the church's "scary doctrine" is "something that you'd see in more like a cult or an Aryan Brethren Church or something like that." Just the day before, Hannity -- referring to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney ® -- had claimed: "We created a new religious litmus test. This is very troublesome to me, and no other candidate is getting that scrutiny." Referring to "The Black Value System," which is advocated by Trinity, Rush stated: "I would go beyond saying that they're Afrocentric. They're African-centric. They refer to themselves as an African people, and that somewhat disturbs me from the viewpoint of, well, do they consider themselves Americans? Do they consider themselves Christians? Are they worshipping Christ? Are they worshipping African things black? Well, I mean, what is it?" Later in the segment, when co-host Alan Colmes asked: "Are you questioning Barack Obama's Christianity?" Rush responded simply: "Yeah." In fact, Trinity refers to itself as "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian," while the "Black Value System" encourages parishioners to be "soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind." As Media Matters for America has previously noted, a February 6 Chicago Tribune article stated that the church's "value system" was adopted in 1981 to hold "black Christians accountable for taking care of their own and for continuing to fight oppression." In an interview, Obama reportedly told the Tribune, "If I say to anybody in Iowa -- white, black, Hispanic or Asian -- that my church believes in the African-American community strengthening families or adhering to the black work ethic or being committed to self-discipline and self-respect and not forgetting where you came from, I don't think that's something anybody would object to. ... I think I'd get a few amens." Addressing conservative criticism of the "value system," Obama also reportedly told the Tribune, "Commitment to God, black community, commitment to the black family, the black work ethic, self-discipline and self-respect. ...Those are values that the conservative movement in particular has suggested are necessary for black advancement." He added, "So I would be puzzled that they would object or quibble with the bulk of a document that basically espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help." From the February 28 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes: HANNITY: So, as the election season kicks into high gear, we have been repeatedly reminded of Mitt Romney's affiliation with the Mormon church, Latter Day Saints. However, new information has recently come to light regarding the Trinity Unity [sic] Church in Chicago. That's the one that Senator Barack Obama calls home. Trinity Church's congregation subscribes to a 10-point list, which they refer to as, quote, "Afrocentric." Now, a closer look at the church's vision has led many to call them separatist and, in some cases, even drawing comparisons to a cult. Joining us now with more on the Trinity Union Church is columnist Erik Rush. Erik, thank you for being with us, my friend. Appreciate it. RUSH: Thank you -- pleasure to be here. HANNITY: Let's -- let's look -- if we look specifically at the 10 items in the church -- for example: commitment to God. Basics, simple -- nobody will disagree. RUSH: Right. HANNITY: Commitment to the black community. What if it was a commitment to the white community? Commitment to the white family versus commitment to this church, which says commitment to the black family. RUSH: Right. HANNITY: Your thoughts? RUSH: Well, that -- well, the first thing I did in the column that I wrote was interpolated the words black for white, and I looked at it and suddenly, I was looking at this really scary doctrine, you know. It was something that you'd see in more like a cult or an Aryan Brethren Church or something like that. I would go beyond saying that they're Afrocentric. They're African-centric. They refer to themselves as an African people, and that somewhat disturbs me from the viewpoint of, well, do they consider themselves Americans? Do they consider themselves Christians? Are they worshipping Christ? Are they worshipping African things black? Well, I mean, what is it? HANNITY: Well, let me ask you that because, beyond what we just mentioned, you know, the commitment to the black community, the black family, you know, the black work ethic they mentioned in this document, the black community, pledge allegiance to black leadership who embrace the "Black Value System." RUSH: Right. HANNITY: You know, if there were a presidential candidate and they were part of a church and, as you point out in your column, you substitute the word "black" for the word "white," there would be an outrage in this country. RUSH: Yes. Massive HANNITY: There would be cries of racism in this country. RUSH: Massive. HANNITY: Will there -- will this even be a controversy in your view? RUSH: I think that it could become something of an issue. You know, I've had people flaming me, but I've also had people writing me saying, you know, "What took you guys" -- I guess it means, the media -- "so long to uncover this, because they really are quite cultish, quite separatist?" COLMES: Mr. Rush, this is Alan Colmes. I have a question. Are you questioning Barack Obama's Christianity? RUSH: Yeah. COLMES: Who are you to do that? RUSH: Anyone just the same as anyone else who can make a discernment about someone's faith. You should get a job writing for one of these shows, Larry! |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 10:01 PM Post #37 |
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Don't get stupid. I know exactly what the United Church of Christ is. Do you? Here's a link to help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 10:03 PM Post #38 |
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Daniel, do you believe in the separation of church and state? I mean - do you think churches should stay out of politics? |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 10:04 PM Post #39 |
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If you didn't have Google you couldn't wipe your ass, could you Daniel? Such a shame you can't comprehend what you quote from the internet. |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 10:05 PM Post #40 |
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Where are you going with this? |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 10:08 PM Post #41 |
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Stop being a jerk. Congregationalists are a Calvinist Protestant group most similar to Presbyterians, except Congregationalists have a different organizational structure. Congregationalists are also famous for founding many colleges and universities in the US including the one I attended. So yes, I know what Congregationalism is. Is there something you want to talk about or do you want to waste your time insulting me? |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 10:17 PM Post #42 |
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Answer the question. Do you believe in the separation of church and state. Do you believe a church should not involve itself in politics. Answer. |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 10:22 PM Post #43 |
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WHAT'S WRONG, DANIEL? CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GOOGLE AN ANSWER? TRY USING YOUR OWN BRAIN FOR A CHANGE! |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 10:29 PM Post #44 |
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What does you mean- involve itself in politics? Churches involve themselves in politics all the time. And stop yelling. It's Christmas Eve. |
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| Larry | Dec 24 2007, 10:31 PM Post #45 |
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No they don't, Daniel. Answer the question. You're afraid to, aren't you? |
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| Daniel | Dec 24 2007, 10:38 PM Post #46 |
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Churches involve themselves in elections all the time. |
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| Daniel | Dec 26 2007, 12:57 AM Post #47 |
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Drop dead. |
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| Daniel | Dec 26 2007, 12:58 AM Post #48 |
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Drop dead. |
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| Daniel | Dec 26 2007, 12:59 AM Post #49 |
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Drop dead. |
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| Daniel | Dec 26 2007, 01:00 AM Post #50 |
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Drop dead. |
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