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Atheistic fundamentalism
Topic Started: Dec 22 2007, 09:02 AM (4,628 Views)
Daniel
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John D'Oh
Dec 23 2007, 08:39 AM
Axtremus
Dec 23 2007, 10:20 AM
John D'Oh
Dec 23 2007, 10:02 AM
I think if there was an easy answer, we'd have figured it out by now.

There is eternal supply of good beer and great sex in the afterlife.

What's so hard to figure out?

:D

Is that good beer by American standards or by everybody elses?

When it comes to beer, I'm a bit of a fundamentalist.

I declare Fatwah against Anheuser-Busch. They are the anti-christ and make an unholy-water.

They have their own theme park in Tampa where I was born. Let's see if I can't find it. Hold on.

Here it is: http://www.buschgardens.com/BGT/default.aspx

They're kind of like the Marlboro cigarettes of the beer world. When you're young (and American I guess) you don't know any better.
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Mikhailoh
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Actually, they are the only major American brewer that makes a nice line of microbrew style products. The Michelob line of Pale Ale, Honey Wheat, Amber Bock, etc. are very nice beers at swill normal prices.

Other than that you need to look to Wisconsin's own Lienenkugel. Good stuff.

All Miller could come up with was a pale imitation of Corona at $8 a six pack.
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My Fatwah is irrevocable. They would have to produce liquid ambrosia before they could make up for their sins against all that is good.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Let me know when you wish to suffer the well-deserved consequences for Britain's
Péchés de la gastronomie and les crimes de la cuisine.
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They don't taste so bad if you've had four or five pints of decent beer.
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Jeffrey
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Moon - "Either God always existed and hence reality (which includes God) goes back forever or there is some ultimate beginning - the birth of God - which is acausal."

Actually, the position is often stated that God is outside time, in an attempt to avoid this issue.

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I think that if you're going to have the concept of 'supernatural' then you can suspend the physical laws of the universe pretty much at will. Attempting to prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural using natural laws is a waste of time.
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Jeffrey
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John - Yes, that was exactly my point against the wood sprite fundamentalist skeptics. They can't really prove that wood sprites don't exist, simply by talking about photosynthesis. Personally, I pray to wood sprites and it makes me happy. Once I prayed to a wood sprite, and the next day got a new job offer, and then my friend who was sick got better. So mock if you wish, I know they exist from personal experience. The anti-wood sprite people just have their own religion same as me, and I don't like them telling me what to believe.
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John D'Oh
Dec 23 2007, 11:00 AM
My Fatwah is irrevocable. They would have to produce liquid ambrosia before they could make up for their sins against all that is good.

Starting from a position that they are making water (unholy or otherwise) that is quite a gulf to cross.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


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Jeffrey
Dec 23 2007, 10:50 AM
John - Yes, that was exactly my point against the wood sprite fundamentalist skeptics.  They can't really prove that wood sprites don't exist, simply by talking about photosynthesis.  Personally, I pray to wood sprites and it makes me happy.  Once I prayed to a wood sprite, and the next day got a new job offer, and then my friend who was sick got better.  So mock if you wish, I know they exist from personal experience.    The anti-wood sprite people just have their own religion same as me, and I don't like them telling me what to believe.

I've never heard of any anti-wood sprite people. Do they have an organization and a web site?

BTW, then you realize the Catholic Church supports you in your wood sprite veneration practice, don't you? Pope Gregory wrote to Augustine, telling him to allow the pagans to continue their sacrifices but teaching them to whom that sacrifice is ultimately directed.

Is this your sacred scripture?
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IT: I agree. Wood sprite worship and Catholicism are very similar.
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Jeffrey
Dec 23 2007, 11:44 AM
IT: I agree. Wood sprite worship and Catholicism are very similar.

In what way?

Who made the wood sprites that you worship?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Do the wood sprites have any cathedrals? Hospitals? Soup kitchens? Missions of ANY sort?

I thought not.
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The conclusion holds even if God exists. Even if a creator mind created the observeable universe still one is left with precisely the same problem.

Either God always existed and hence reality (which includes God) goes back forever or there is some ultimate beginning - the birth of God - which is acausal.

If there is a beginning to this creator intelligence that is not acausal then it follows that it is not the ultimate beginning and one must look at whatever the cause was. And then one again faces the same problem.


Again, you are wrong. You make the assumption that God had to be created. That's the whole point, Moonbat - God IS. There is no beginning to God, and no end.

Science admits that physics and Einstein's theories break down right at the point of the big bang. From that nanosecond back, they do not hold up - they don't exist. They don't work. Time and space is unmeasurable beyond that instant. But God IS, Moonbat. How he created the universe, how long ago, how evolution works, how mathematical formulas and all the other scientifically important stuff works, is just so much bean counting. It's all just examining how it happened. Why it happened is just as important.

There was a man who was told would be born thousands of years before hand, Moonbat. How he would be born, where, and how he would die - and how he would live again. We *could* look at that and say the people who told about that stuff were simply ignorant and superstitious, Moonbat - except for one thing.

He was born, lived, died, and came to life again - just like the ancient prophets said. Now - we *could* say that it was just a made up story, Moonbat - except for one thing - men who ran away in fear when they thought they were in trouble at the time of his crucifixion came back like lions, fearless as they went about telling everyone what they had seen with their own eyes, what hundreds of people had seen with their own eyes - and they refused to back down from their claim in spite of the fact that every single one of them were tortured and killed in the most horrible ways imaginable. These cowards became fearless for *some* reason, Moonbat. Then, the man who was one of the most rabid Christian hunters alive went on a trip and came back so markedly changed that he was almost unrecognizable - and became one of the most prominent Christians of the time.

This happened, Moonbat. And the man behind all that said he was God. Either he's a fool, or he's the real thing. The evidence says he's the real thing. And he said "In the beginning, God." Then he said "And the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Then he said "I am the Word."

And *he* said God created something out of nothing. Science cannot answer that question, Moonbat. Right at the instant of "something", all of science breaks down. It cannot tell you, me, or anyone else where all this "something" came from. It simply says, it had to come from nothing.

And at that point, you are staring into the eye of God, Moonbat.

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I don't understand the bashing of religions. Believe what you believe. If you believe God exists, then worship God in your chosen religion and be happy.

If you don't believe God exists, then don't believe in God and be happy.

To feel the need to piss on the beliefs of others though, especially when they aren't hurting anyone, strikes me as a despicable lack of basic human respect.

I don't understand it.

If peoples' beliefs and experiences with their beliefs are adding to their quality of life, helping them become more compassionate, loving, and kinder people, why do people feel the need to attempt to deconstruct that?

:shrug: :no:

I have friends who are Christian, Sufi, agnostic, atheist, and Pagan. When we get together for parties and stuff, we all get along. The common thread that unites us all, is the love that we share as friends, and basic respect.

This nastiness of comparing one's belief in God, to invisible wolves, tree sprites, or the flying spaghetti monster, is just nonsense. Despicable behavior.
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Jeffrey
Dec 23 2007, 05:37 PM
Moon - "Either God always existed and hence reality (which includes God) goes back forever or there is some ultimate beginning - the birth of God - which is acausal."

Actually, the position is often stated that God is outside time, in an attempt to avoid this issue.

Usually those kinds of statements are incoherent they also totally contradict the idea of God causing the universe to come into existence since causation is a temporal process.

In any case whether one places a God or indeed anything else outside of time the dilemma that either one asserts time stretches back for ever or one has some kind of ultimate beginning remains.
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This nastiness of comparing one's belief in God, to invisible wolves, tree sprites, or the flying spaghetti monster, is just nonsense. Despicable behavior.


It's because in spite of their denials, they *are* religious fundamentalists.
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In any case whether one places a God or indeed anything else outside of time the dilemma that either one asserts time stretches back for ever or one has some kind of ultimate beginning remains.


Utter nonsense.

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Larry
Dec 23 2007, 02:56 PM
Moonbat
 


Either God always existed and hence reality (which includes God) goes back forever or [...]


Again, you are wrong. You make the assumption that God had to be created. That's the whole point, Moonbat - God IS. There is no beginning to God, and no end.

Dude, you've got some serious reading comprehension problem. :blink:
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God being God, an eternal being, and being First Cause, would have no beginning, right? I don't have a problem with that concept.
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Dec 23 2007, 02:06 PM
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Dec 23 2007, 02:56 PM
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Either God always existed and hence reality (which includes God) goes back forever or [...]


Again, you are wrong. You make the assumption that God had to be created. That's the whole point, Moonbat - God IS. There is no beginning to God, and no end.

Dude, you've got some serious reading comprehension problem. :blink:

No Dude, *you* do.

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Moonbat
Dec 23 2007, 11:59 AM
Jeffrey
Dec 23 2007, 05:37 PM
Moon - "Either God always existed and hence reality (which includes God) goes back forever or there is some ultimate beginning - the birth of God - which is acausal."

Actually, the position is often stated that God is outside time, in an attempt to avoid this issue.

Usually those kinds of statements are incoherent they also totally contradict the idea of God causing the universe to come into existence since causation is a temporal process.

In any case whether one places a God or indeed anything else outside of time the dilemma that either one asserts time stretches back for ever or one has some kind of ultimate beginning remains.

What is time, Moonbat (and Jeff)?
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Jeffrey
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IT: "Who made the wood sprites that you worship?"

It's a mystery that surpasses human understanding. You need to have faith.
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Jeffrey
Dec 23 2007, 02:44 PM
IT: I agree. Wood sprite worship and Catholicism are very similar.

Jeffery spouting his anti-Catholicism as usual. :lol:
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Jeffrey
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Moon: "Usually those kinds of statements are incoherent "

Why did you qualify your statement with "usually"? I cannot think of an exception.
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