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| Jolly | Dec 7 2007, 08:41 AM Post #51 |
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I don't see why not. Unless we're talking about major medical expenses, and that has the ability to break even rich developers such as yourself.... |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 7 2007, 08:48 AM Post #52 |
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Apparently, despite your abundant knowledge of cows, you don't understand the difference between contractors and developers. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Jolly | Dec 7 2007, 08:51 AM Post #53 |
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I do, but I also know what will make Mr. Miller bite. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| kathyk | Dec 7 2007, 08:57 AM Post #54 |
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True. Average life span does not mean that the average person died at such an age. For example, if during a period half of the children died at age 2 and the others lived to be 80, the average life span would be 40. I think it's pretty well established that the longer life span of today is due in very large part to the the decrease in childhood death from infectious diseases. |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 7 2007, 09:02 AM Post #55 |
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Which is also the result of modern medicine ... such as vaccines against smallpox, polio, etc. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| kathyk | Dec 7 2007, 09:12 AM Post #56 |
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Actually, not as much as you think Quirt. Deja vu? Statistics initially developed as a recognized field in the social sciences in the middle of the nineteenth century. The European medical profession first made use of mounting statistical evidence to dramatize infant mortality, one of the great social problems of the century. Those telling statistics amply demonstrated the general proportions of the problem as well as pinpointing the fact that a large percentage of the dying was neonatal in character. The medical profession also insisted that these infants were passing away from a series of ailments. Number one on their list was what they called debility, followed by respiratory disorders, gastro-intestinal problems, and convulsions. While nineteenth-century European medicine did not necessarily solve this social problem, it did evidently convince the larger society that these high tolls were morally unacceptable. Link |
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| ivorythumper | Dec 7 2007, 09:17 AM Post #57 |
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Actually the most substantial increases in reducing infant mortality came about right at the onset of germ theory -- once doctors started washing their hands women and children stopped dying of puerperal fever and other diseases. By washing hands, Semmelweis (1847) reduced the mortality rate from 18% to under 2.5%. Simple soap. |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 7 2007, 09:25 AM Post #58 |
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Kathy and I have been through this before. The estimates are that between 300 million and 500 million people would have died in the 20th century from smallpox without a smallpox vaccine. That would be starting approximately 53 years after the date you just cited. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 01:13 PM Post #59 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Troll. |
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| kathyk | Dec 7 2007, 01:28 PM Post #60 |
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Baloney. Efficacy of small pox vaccine |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 7 2007, 01:41 PM Post #61 |
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Is that really necessary? |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 7 2007, 01:44 PM Post #62 |
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No but consider the source. |
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 01:46 PM Post #63 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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No more necessary than Jolly's twenty personal attacks on me in the last week. |
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 01:46 PM Post #64 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Shut up, bitch. "Consider the souurce". Are you like 10 years old? Please, hold a grudge because I didn't answer your ridiculous question. Ask me another ridiculous question. I won't answer that one either. You are really just an insufferable punk who has to jump in and pile on and bitch whenever you get the chance. I really don't like you. Did I ever tell you that? I think you are an arrogant little prick! |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 7 2007, 01:48 PM Post #65 |
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And that's exactly what I mean. Go **** yourself Daniel. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 7 2007, 01:53 PM Post #66 |
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And this is why nobody likes to play kickball with Daniel come time for recess. It's **** like that man, that's why I don't care when Larry, Jolly or anyone else gets on your case. I'll never speak up for you. |
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 01:56 PM Post #67 |
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and that's exactly what I mean- wah! If you didn't involve yourself in things that weren't your business, then I wouldn't mind you. Consider the source. Wah! Asshole. |
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 01:58 PM Post #68 |
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I don't give a damn whether you speak up for me. You have never had one once of integrity that would be worth me hearing your opinion about my interactions with others anyway. It's very well and good for you to hide behind some kind of imaginary gang. You really are a punk. You are not bringing that up to explain yourself. You are bringing that up to be a bitch. I didn't start that crap with them, you little punk. And I don't need you to remind me of it, but thanks a lot! |
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 02:08 PM Post #69 |
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You're the one who jumped in to a situation in a very passive aggressive way. My sympathy for you is zero. You could have let Jon make his point. Instead you decided to inflame the situation. So go **** yourself Aqua. |
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| taiwan_girl | Dec 7 2007, 02:12 PM Post #70 |
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Daniel ![]() Aqua Leiter ![]() Daniel Aqua LeiterAqua Leiter Daniel next topic
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 02:14 PM Post #71 |
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| Jolly | Dec 7 2007, 02:27 PM Post #72 |
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You know, you are truly a piece of work. You don't know my background with Steve, what I know about him or what he knows about me. You interject yourself in conversation like some form of parasitic worm - dumb, happy living in feces and unable to reproduce except by asexual means. If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous. As it is, you are a pathetic excuse for scum, which is simply no more than dried sperm...something cast aside as a piece of flotsam from a momentary self-pleasure. Do us all a favor, stick your head in a bucket of water and take a deep breath. If there be trolls here, sirrah, you would most certainly be the member most likely to recognize one - go look in a mirror, if you have one you haven't broken, yet. |
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| Daniel | Dec 7 2007, 02:38 PM Post #73 |
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Well as I live an breathe, my favorite throw back and bigot. Lay off the personal attacks an ME ****head because I do know the history between you and me and I do know you have interjected yourself into threads involving me with gratuitous personal attacks over and over. Bigot. |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 7 2007, 02:40 PM Post #74 |
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Baloney? Let's compare sources. You have what you have. I have the World Health Organization.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/...x/en/index.html And the Centers for Disease Control.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/overv...sease-facts.asp As between your source, and the WHO and the CDC, I'll take the WHO and the CDC. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| ivorythumper | Dec 7 2007, 02:50 PM Post #75 |
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I think we're talking apples and oranges. Given the world population in 1900 was about 1.6B, a projected death rate of 30% seems rather high. The death rate of those infected with smallpox is only 30%, and obviously not every got it. Not everyone got smallpox, but everyone was born, so the death rate of almost 1:5 for infant mortality from puerperal fever etc being reduced to less than 1:40 with the simple practice of washing hands and sterilizing things seem much more significant. But beyond that, your original point was the curability has increased the cost of medicine. I don't disagree with that point, but I don't understand how the cost of developing the cure for smallpox (as effective as it has been) and disease eradication in general has any attributable (definable) impact on general heath costs. EDIT: And as I said before, it's all money well spent. |
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