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| Mikhailoh | Aug 7 2007, 01:26 PM Post #51 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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In that I suspect you are very wrong, Jon. No management team you can name ever tells the rank and file how bad things could get. It just isn't done. What we were told is that the war on terror, for lack of a betyter term, will be very long and difficult. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| jon-nyc | Aug 7 2007, 01:28 PM Post #52 |
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Cheers
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Mik - its one thing not to make pessimistic public statements, its quite another to push anyone within the government out of the post-war planning process who had a less-than-optimistic view of what a post-Saddam Iraq might look like. |
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| TomK | Aug 7 2007, 01:45 PM Post #53 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I agree. It's a matter of economics. I have thought so all along. The plan should be, secure Iraq and make it more profitable to sell sheep bladders or whatever, than it is to be a bomber. The problem with too many people in government--is that they don't get the dollar and cents side of things. And America has the PERFECT consumer society that every teenager and their subject parents can buy into. Hannah Montana is a better representative of America than Don Rumsfeld ever was. |
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| Frank_W | Aug 7 2007, 01:48 PM Post #54 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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During Clinton's years, there was rumored to be a sign hanging in his office: "It's about the economy, stupid!" |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| jon-nyc | Aug 7 2007, 02:19 PM Post #55 |
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Cheers
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That was during his campaign. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_the_economy,_stupid |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 7 2007, 02:21 PM Post #56 |
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One of his two most memorable quotes. The other one being, 'I want you to listen to me. I did not have sex with that woman.. Miss Lewinski' |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 7 2007, 03:00 PM Post #57 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Without even getting into the substance ... He's allowed to make mistakes when every word that comes out of his mouth is picked apart with precision surgical instruments. Every single Republican candidate has, many times over. None of the candidates, from either party, could survive the level of scrutiny you seem to impose only on Democrats. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 7 2007, 03:09 PM Post #58 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Of course you want to avoid the substance of what he said.
I guess that Republicans are made of tougher stuff than Democrats. Bush has survived that sort of scrutiny. |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 7 2007, 03:46 PM Post #59 |
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And you label what I wrote hyperbole? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! |
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| Larry | Aug 7 2007, 03:48 PM Post #60 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Quirt, the moron spent one day telling us he'd talk to our enemies, and the next day saying he'd bomb our allies. You just don't get any more stupid than that. |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 7 2007, 03:55 PM Post #61 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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![]() An archival photo of young Quirt on the way to the Young Democrats meeting. |
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| Frank_W | Aug 7 2007, 04:00 PM Post #62 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Level of scrutiny? I don't recall any president, in my lifetime, receiving the kind of scrutiny and dissection that president Bush has weathered. He's been deserving of much criticism, but at the same time, he's been the brunt of the most withering kind of cruelty that the media and culture can dish out. Poor little Obama... If he doesn't realize that T.W.A.T. is the most important and sensitive of issues, then he really doesn't need to be in any position. (At least not politically...) |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 7 2007, 04:03 PM Post #63 |
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Yeah - at least Clinton was very familiar with it. He always kept at least an eye on T.W.A.T., and was very hands on in that respect. |
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| Frank_W | Aug 7 2007, 04:12 PM Post #64 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Yep! Give that man a cee-gar!!
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 8 2007, 03:50 AM Post #65 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I believe you were alive from 1992-2000. Perhaps your memory is faulty. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Aug 8 2007, 04:22 AM Post #66 |
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I am the grey one
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Clinton got a pass from the media. he was scrutinized pretty thoroughly by a lot of right wing organizations and commentators but that is really not the same thing. One would expect that from them or their left wing couterparts as they rip Bush today. The media has been quite hostile to Bush. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 8 2007, 04:31 AM Post #67 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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It's been mutual. In case you haven't noticed, Bush ... and particularly Cheney ... have a remarkable disdain for the press. Nevertheless, the point remains. Frank said, and I quote, "I don't recall any president, in my lifetime, receiving the kind of scrutiny and dissection that president Bush has weathered." Frank never mentioned scrutiny by the mainstream media. Clinton got exactly the same kind of scrutiny, just from different sources. The mainstream press may have been slightly easier on him, but the conservative blogosphere filled the gap admirably, and Clinton was roasted over a spit in the Republican Congress. Which is the only place where the scrutiny has a real effect, anyway. Bush, on the other hand, got six years of a totally free pass on Capitol Hill. It's the internet age, JB. Even if the Republican candidates can't come to grips with what that means from an information dissemination standpoint, surely you can. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Aug 8 2007, 04:40 AM Post #68 |
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I am the grey one
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Surely you are not trying to equate right/left wing commentary with the mainstream media (Frank said media but I leave it up to him to define what he meant). It is one thing to be criticised by the politcal organs of your opposition or fawned over by your own but another thing entirely when the MSM plays that role, all the while laboring under the mantle of "objectivity" rightly or wrongly. Unless and until particular elements of the MSM declare their political affiliations they will continue to enjoy a prestige with respect to credibility (again, rightly or wrongly) that others cannot. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 8 2007, 10:38 AM Post #69 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Seems like you have the faulty memory. A conservative blogoshere in the 1990s? ![]() Apart from Drudge in about 98, who else? |
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| Luke's Dad | Aug 8 2007, 11:20 AM Post #70 |
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Thr Free Republic was out there even before Drudge, I believe. However, none of the blogs and internet sites could compare with CNN and the major networks until 2000. |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 8 2007, 11:25 AM Post #71 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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And there was, of course, talk radio, which was at that time primarily a conservative phenomenon. And which raked Clinton over the coals daily. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| TomK | Aug 8 2007, 11:29 AM Post #72 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Rush: "AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE! DAY 187!" Great stuff. |
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| Luke's Dad | Aug 8 2007, 11:36 AM Post #73 |
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:lol: |
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| George K | Aug 8 2007, 11:44 AM Post #74 |
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Finally
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And there's the distinction. For every time that Fox news and Brit Hume is mentioned (and his program is news, not opinion), O'Reily and Hannity are brought up. However, when Olbermann is mentioned, there's silence. I fail to see why some cannot make the distinction between news programs and opinion programs. The Democrats refuse to have a debate on Fox, but have no problem with one on NBC with Olbermann as moderator. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Frank_W | Aug 8 2007, 03:30 PM Post #75 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Clinton may have been scrutinized by the media, but Bush has been crucified by the media. Almost from Day 1 in office, the media was treating him like sh't. In fact, early on, quite a while before 9/11, Bush made a statement about being sick of the liberal media who didn't give him one damn bit of credit. The media is the one who created the hostile environment, Quirt. It started with Gore's tantrum about the vote count. |
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