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I'm no Mitt Romney fan...; but this was a great line.
Topic Started: Aug 7 2007, 07:59 AM (628 Views)
jon-nyc
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JBryan
Aug 7 2007, 02:09 PM
I heard a "man-on-the-street" type thing on the radio the other day where everyone asked was stumped to name the country we fought in the Revolutionary War.

Which of course is why guys like Bush can get elected.
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Aug 7 2007, 02:12 PM
In that case it does not seem so odd that Bush would not know the name of someone who was in office barely 30 days. It may have been more interesting to ask him if he knew there was a military coup in Pakistan.

Seriously.... don't you think in November of 1999 a Candidate Cheney or a Candidate Gingrich would not only have known his name, but would have had a reasonably well developed opinion on how we should react?
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jon-nyc
Aug 7 2007, 12:15 PM
JBryan
Aug 7 2007, 02:12 PM
In that case it does not seem so odd that Bush would not know the name of someone who was in office barely 30 days.

I have to say I agree. I was not at all surprised that Bush couldn't name him. I was embarrassed as an American, but not at all surprised.

Really, I thought the question was a typical gotcha the media trots out every election. If Bush not being able to name the President of Pakistan 30 days after he took power is embarassing to you then you must be downright blushing over Obama.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Aug 7 2007, 12:19 PM
JBryan
Aug 7 2007, 02:09 PM
I heard a "man-on-the-street" type thing on the radio the other day where everyone asked was stumped to name the country we fought in the Revolutionary War.

Which of course is why guys like Bush can get elected.

This was in NYC as I recall so that may not be operative.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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jon-nyc
Aug 7 2007, 11:19 AM
JBryan
Aug 7 2007, 02:09 PM
I heard a "man-on-the-street" type thing on the radio the other day where everyone asked was stumped to name the country we fought in the Revolutionary War.

Which of course is why guys like Bush can get elected.

You forgot Bill Clinton and all the Democratic candidates as well. Must have slipped your mind.
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Aug 7 2007, 12:22 PM
JBryan
Aug 7 2007, 02:12 PM
In that case it does not seem so odd that Bush would not know the name of someone who was in office barely 30 days. It may have been more interesting to ask him if he knew there was a military coup in Pakistan.

Seriously.... don't you think in November of 1999 a Candidate Cheney or a Candidate Gingrich would not only have known his name, but would have had a reasonably well developed opinion on how we should react?

I have no doubt that Gingrich would know his name. Cheney would likely have known it. Both would have been well aware of the coup which would really be the relevant point. The guy's name would probably come in handy if introductions came up short.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Never mind ... JB cross-posted.
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Clinton, for all his faults, was not ignorant of the world outside of the US.


If the American electorate were better educated, it seems to me, it would require in its presidential candidates of either party a higher level of knowledge of the world than Bush displayed in 2000.
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jon-nyc
Aug 7 2007, 11:30 AM
Clinton, for all his faults, was not ignorant of the world outside of the US.


If the American electorate were better educated, it seems to me, it would require in its presidential candidates of either party a higher level of knowledge of the world than Bush displayed in 2000.

Clever ploy. The left systematically dumbs down the US population for the past 50 years through the NEA, and then blames the population for not knowing more about international relations. At least our kids know how to put condoms on bananas.
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Aug 7 2007, 02:22 PM
If Bush not being able to name the President of Pakistan 30 days after he took power is embarassing to you then you must be downright blushing over Obama.

To an extent I was.

I think he was caught off guard by the question in the you tube debate and later regretted it realizing his answer sounded naive next to Hillary's. I think he came out with the Pakistan remark in part or to make up for the first comment, as if to say to the democratic elite 'Wait - I'm a realist notwithstanding my gaffe in the debate'.


The two comments together seem particularly odd.

And I thought Romney's line was great (hence the title of this thread)
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Aug 7 2007, 02:33 PM
Clever ploy.

you got me, IT. I am SO BUSTED.

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Aug 7 2007, 02:19 PM
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Aug 7 2007, 02:09 PM
I heard a "man-on-the-street" type thing on the radio the other day where everyone asked was stumped to name the country we fought in the Revolutionary War.

Which of course is why guys like Bush can get elected.

Actually I heard the same program and each person when asked said they were voting for Hillary...they couldn't say why (a couple people said because she's a woman), but anyway they were voting for Hillary. Oh yeah, their answers of who we fought in the Revolutionary War ranged from "France" to "wasn't that World War 1?" to "I thought the declaration of independence was signed at the end of the civil war"? :lol:

I asked my girlfriend one time who was President and she said "I dunno...Bush?" and that was pretty much the end of that.
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Aug 7 2007, 01:42 PM
jon-nyc
Aug 7 2007, 02:19 PM
JBryan
Aug 7 2007, 02:09 PM
I heard a "man-on-the-street" type thing on the radio the other day where everyone asked was stumped to name the country we fought in the Revolutionary War.

Which of course is why guys like Bush can get elected.

Actually I heard the same program and each person when asked said they were voting for Hillary...they couldn't say why (a couple people said because she's a woman), but anyway they were voting for Hillary. Oh yeah, their answers of who we fought in the Revolutionary War ranged from "France" to "wasn't that World War 1?" to "I thought the declaration of independence was signed at the end of the civil war"? :lol:

I asked my girlfriend one time who was President and she said "I dunno...Bush?" and that was pretty much the end of that.

Yeah, everyone knows it's Cheney. How dumb can she be?
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jon-nyc
Aug 7 2007, 01:50 PM
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Aug 7 2007, 01:01 PM
Could there be any residual doubt that Obama is not even fit for his Senate seat, much less the presidency?

I don't remember you making the equivalent comment about Tom 'Bomb-The-Saudis' Tancredo.

Funny, that.

Tom Tancredo is not running for president, and frankly that sabre rattling is just as likely to be intentional, planting an idea in the head of Muslims.

Obama's comments are far more likely to make Pakistan a less stable place when we need them as an ally. If Pakistan goes radical then it will be game on folks. So let's rattle Musharraf's cage some more, right?
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Aug 7 2007, 02:00 PM
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Aug 7 2007, 12:51 PM
I again disagree. I think the resuts o what Bush has done are beginning to show that it was the right course of action.  Neither he nor his team of advisors are first timers.

So you can throw stones at Bush all day, but specifically how do you defend Obama's remarks re Pakistan?

Bush isn't a first timer?

The Governor of Texas conducts a lot of foreign policy, does he?

Bush was deeply involved in his father's White House, and spent eight years as the son of the Vice-President.

But back to the question, Quirt - beside throwing stones at Bush, how do you justify these statements by Obama?

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Obama likes every war except THIS war. In Iraq he's a dove, on every other war--he's to the right of Curtis LeMay.

Hillary played Obama and played him well.

She's good.
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Aug 7 2007, 04:41 PM
Tom Tancredo is not running for president...

No? You have some inside information you want to share?
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Aug 7 2007, 04:52 PM
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Aug 7 2007, 04:41 PM
Tom Tancredo is not running for president...

No? You have some inside information you want to share?

He is, but not seriously.
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Aug 7 2007, 01:59 PM
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Aug 7 2007, 01:51 PM
I think the resuts o what Bush has done are beginning to show that it was the right course of action.

Can you expand on that a bit?

Sure. Many things are changing on the ground, as you have read. A lot of locations in formerly Al- Quaeda friendly Anbar province are now fighting to get rid of them. Some are standing up and saying they don't need our help to do so.

There are still a lot of problems, there will be for a long time to come. But I still believe it was the right thing to do and can work.
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Aug 7 2007, 04:53 PM
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Aug 7 2007, 04:52 PM
Mikhailoh
Aug 7 2007, 04:41 PM
Tom Tancredo is not running for president...

No? You have some inside information you want to share?

He is, but not seriously.

Well then I stand corrected on that one. It is a stupid statement for a presidential candidate and a congressman. It shows a lack of judgement that questions their fitness for the position they have today.

Much like Pelosi's little jaunt to the Middle East.
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Aug 7 2007, 04:58 PM
Sure. Many things are changing on the ground, as you have read.  A lot of locations in formerly Al- Quaeda friendly Anbar province are now fighting to get rid of them.  Some are standing up and saying they don't need our help to do so. 

There are still a lot of problems, there will be for a long time to come.  But I still believe it was the right thing to do and can work.

I think that successes in Anbar are encouraging. Beyond encouraging, its in fact great news.

But I don't see it leading to any political settlement that will leave Iraq a functioning multi-ethnic government (let alone a democratic one). Right now its hard to see any outcome other than ethnic factional fighting (aka low-intensity civil war) until Iraq is essentially carved up into sectarian fiefdoms with extremely bloody borders.

Unless that prediction turns out to be wildly inaccurate, its seems to me hard to argue that Bush's was the right course of action.
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Incremental successes. Success seems to build on itself, and I believe the Iraqis themselves will tire of this business and want to get busy making a living. Yo have a population that has been effectively denied any power for a generation or two. Not hard to predict chaotic tendencies I should think.
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Mikhailoh
Aug 7 2007, 05:18 PM
Incremental successes. Success seems to build on itself, and I believe the Iraqis themselves will tire of this business and want to get busy making a living.

Being a professional suicide bomber is not the best way to provide for your family long term.

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Aug 7 2007, 05:18 PM
Yo have a population that has been effectively denied any power for a generation or two. Not hard to predict chaotic tendencies I should think.

You would think. But it was somehow beyond this administration's imagination. And those who did imagine it were isolated from the post-war planning process.
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Aug 7 2007, 05:20 PM
Being a professional suicide bomber is not the best way to provide for your family long term.

True. But for many poor Shiites in Baghdad, being a member of a militia is bar far the best way to provide for your family.
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