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Legal/DMV question; ...front tag
Topic Started: Jul 19 2007, 06:43 PM (2,736 Views)
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Kincaid
Jan 18 2011, 10:37 PM
The 89th Key
Jul 19 2007, 07:15 PM
Car registered in MD, ticketed in DC...I'm pretty sure DC requires it as well. Just didn't know if they could speak for MD, ya know?

I'm challenging the ticket in hopes of getting a reduced fine - more spite than anything. So we'll see...
So, what was the outcome? Can you even remember that far back?
I paid the ticket.

They knew it would cost me less to pay the ticket, than to challenge it. It's a money thing for them...
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AZ only requires back plates. I drove in CA for 7 years without it ever being an issue.
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Jan 19 2011, 11:25 AM
AZ only requires back plates. I drove in CA for 7 years without it ever being an issue.
But CA knew it wasn't required in AZ.

Now... driving around CA for 7 years with AZ plates. That's another issue. :D
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Jan 19 2011, 11:30 AM
Now... driving around CA for 7 years with AZ plates. That's another issue. :D
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Jan 19 2011, 07:09 AM
You’ll continue to get cited if you don’t do something about the front license plate.

If Saab neglected to provide a front license plate holder for the car when it was new, then it should have been made available by now. Check with a Saab dealer.
The dealer said some holes had to be drilled, as did the guy at AutoZone and a mechanic in Kentucky to whom I spoke.

The dealer did give me a free plate holder, but the holes still have to be drilled.

Virginia has never cited me, going on 5 months, but it will need to be fixed soon.
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I should imagine it would depend on the law. If the law were to state that "all cars registered in the state have a front license plate" that would be different than if the law stated "all cars driving in the state must have a front license plate". Just because you have out of state plates, doesn't mean you are exempt from speeding fines, or parking tickets.

There's a lot of laws in California that people get away with. However, it does give the police an excuse to pull you over. For example, in California one cannot have dark tinted windows in the front next to driver or passenger. You also must have mudguards covering the complete tire - so trucks with over sized tires sticking out beyond the mudguards are in violation. Once stopped, the car can no longer be driven and must be towed.
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1hp,

I’m not a lawyer but my understanding of reciprocal laws is that state A can enforce state B’s laws on a state B resident when he’s driving in state A. And vice versa.

Virginia has a reciprocal law with other states concerning motor vehicles. It’s in the link in post #23.
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It would be impossible to enforce a front license plate law on a car from a state that does not issue a front license plate.
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It would be impossible to enforce a front license plate law on a car from a state that does not issue a front license plate.


I don't agree. There is the option of not driving said car in a state that requires front license plates. I'm not a lawyer and have certainly never studied law, but it would seem to me that a state can make something illegal, and that law stands regardless of where you are from. If the state of California decides that the max speed limit on a freeway is 40mph, people can't drive at 65mph just because that's the limit in their state. etc.....

I notice that many people drive vehicles with the rear license plate partially obscured by some artistic license plate holder. Believe in most states that the license plate must be clearly readable - number and state of registration.
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There is a difference between obeying a speed limit which is entirely possible for any car from any state and having a front license plate which is completely impossible for someone like me who only gets issued a rear plate. You are saying that I could be barred from driving in California at all because there is no way I can ever have a front license plate (I only get one from the DMV). It would probably run afoul of the Constitution as being an undue barrier to interstate commerce.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Jan 19 2011, 09:49 AM
Say novaau, you joined this forum for nothing.

Instead of reviving a four year old topic, you could have found the answer yourself. By using as a search argument: “Virginia reciprocity laws for motor vehicle license plates”, I found this web site.

http://law.justia.com/virginia/codes/2006/toc4602000/46.2-703.html

Look at paragraph 46.2-703 paragraph D-1. It says “Any person who operates or causes to be operated on any highway in the Commonwealth any motor vehicle that does not carry the proper registration, identification marker, or other evidence of registration as required by reciprocal standards or agreements entered into by the Department pursuant to this section...”.

I think this answers your question. Virginia cops can enforce DC vehicle license plate laws and vice versa: DC cops can enforce VA laws.

It’s a slow day at work for me today so I had the time to check.

I didn't want to bring that up and deprive navauu of the thrill of discovery, but I'm glad you did, Q-L. That's one of my favorite passages from the Virginia codes on reciprocity and assessment collection fees.
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Mine too! Imagine that.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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There is a difference between obeying a speed limit which is entirely possible for any car from any state and having a front license plate which is completely impossible for someone like me who only gets issued a rear plate. You are saying that I could be barred from driving in California at all because there is no way I can ever have a front license plate (I only get one from the DMV). It would probably run afoul of the Constitution as being an undue barrier to interstate commerce.


I'm sure Quirt could weigh in on the legalities if he were around. Frankly, a front license plate on a car for personal use, and interstate commerce, seem to be separate issues. Interesting questions though. I'll have to ask one of my lawyer neighbours.
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TNCR, the compendium of knowledge. Looking at the on-line list, I see quite a few guest members are here. TNCR must be high up on the Google list for them to be coming over here to read non-piano related subject matter. Interesting, considering the countless number of automobile related forums out there that field all kinds of driving related questions. The topic concerning battery cables gets a lot of reads.

Edited by Qaanaaq-Liaaq, Jan 21 2011, 01:03 PM.
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novaau
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Horace
Jan 21 2011, 09:11 AM
Qaanaaq-Liaaq
Jan 19 2011, 09:49 AM
Say novaau, you joined this forum for nothing.

Instead of reviving a four year old topic, you could have found the answer yourself. By using as a search argument: “Virginia reciprocity laws for motor vehicle license plates”, I found this web site.

http://law.justia.com/virginia/codes/2006/toc4602000/46.2-703.html

Look at paragraph 46.2-703 paragraph D-1. It says “Any person who operates or causes to be operated on any highway in the Commonwealth any motor vehicle that does not carry the proper registration, identification marker, or other evidence of registration as required by reciprocal standards or agreements entered into by the Department pursuant to this section...”.

I think this answers your question. Virginia cops can enforce DC vehicle license plate laws and vice versa: DC cops can enforce VA laws.

It’s a slow day at work for me today so I had the time to check.

I didn't want to bring that up and deprive navauu of the thrill of discovery, but I'm glad you did, Q-L. That's one of my favorite passages from the Virginia codes on reciprocity and assessment collection fees.


I searched some of those terms, but I was unfamiliar with the term 'reciprocity laws,' so instead of getting that informative site in my search results, I got this forum, which had a decent discussion on that very topic. I thought that someone else might want to search the same thing at some point, so I thought it would be potentially beneficial to resume the discussion. You have concluded it for those purposes, thank you. I should have just paid the $50 while I still had the chance.

The only potential loophole I see the use of the term "carry": while the front plate was not visible, I was "carry"ing it in the trunk of my car- there is no mention of "proper display." Proper display would have required myself (or some agent to whom I delegated such authority) to undertake an action that could potentially (likely, from the accounts I have heard) lower the value of my vehicle, which will be paid off in full later this year, and possibly up for sale.
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feebleone
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So, I went and looked up the actual law for this.

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Title 18, Chapter 4, 422.1 says:
Whenever a motor vehicle or trailer for which District of Columbia registration is
required
is being operated or left standing upon any public highway, such vehicle shall
display two (2) current identification tags, one (1) on the front and the other on the rear;
except that motor vehicles need only display a special use identification tag on the rear of
the vehicle only.

Clearly they threw a ticket at a car and hoped it would get paid.
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Once again the world is safe with TNCRers doing the dirty work of justice!
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Jul 19 2007, 06:52 PM
second ticket of my life!
What?!

I have over half a dozen unpaid parking tickets sitting in a stack on my desk, from the past few months. I am not exaggerating.

edit: just saw when this topic is from :lol2:
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'Kansas City' is made up of a host of different municipalities. n It is well known that a fewer of the smaller ones rack up their revenue by issuing tickets for NOTHING.

Around here, you only have to appear at court and they waive the ridiculous ones... but if your time is worth more than 50 bucks an hour - it's a wash.
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