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Rev. Jerry Falwell dies; ...found unconscious
Topic Started: May 15 2007, 09:44 AM (2,010 Views)
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May 16 2007, 07:52 PM
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May 16 2007, 11:22 PM
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May 16 2007, 10:13 PM
He said some "far out" things: AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuals, gays and lesbians, and others, were responsible for 9/11.  The Antichrist is a Jew already living. 

But you know, I think he had a point about purple teletubbies.  People laugh at him for that but I think he was right. 

I don't know why they would want to dance on his "grave" when he said God wanted to kill them because they were evil and that they caused 9/11. 

Hm.

You obviously miss the irony of those who call for tolerance dancing on the faux grave of one of their critics.

Hm.

Yeah...that's pretty sad.

:rolleyes2:

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May 16 2007, 11:57 PM
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May 16 2007, 07:52 PM
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Daniel
May 16 2007, 10:13 PM
He said some "far out" things: AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuals, gays and lesbians, and others, were responsible for 9/11.  The Antichrist is a Jew already living. 

But you know, I think he had a point about purple teletubbies.  People laugh at him for that but I think he was right. 

I don't know why they would want to dance on his "grave" when he said God wanted to kill them because they were evil and that they caused 9/11. 

Hm.

You obviously miss the irony of those who call for tolerance dancing on the faux grave of one of their critics.

Hm.

Yeah...that's pretty sad.

:rolleyes2:

Wait...so we should complain about no tolerance, but not tolerate those who don't tolerate tolerance.

Seems a bit hypocritical to me....
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Daniel
May 16 2007, 10:37 PM
This is what I have read for days: others are hateful, others are intolerant.  The irony is that Falwell was hateful and intolerant,  at least on his worst days when he would have done his cause better to have kept his mouth shut (and who knows what he said that was never reported).

I think the right (if I can make a generalization, the same that was made all day yesterday about "the left") is shocked that Falwell's death has not been met with unadulterated sadness.

I have read unadulterated glee at this man's passing at another forum.
I have seen unadulterated glee in photographs.

I am not (nor have I ever been) a Jerry Falwell fan. I actually think that Larry Flynt had a good point to make. Falwell was someone who abused his power and position to preach a position of intolerance and, sometimes, hatred.

Nevertheless, the hypocrisy of the so-called "tolerant" in rejoicing his (or anyone's) death is apalling. You are defined by your deeds, and those who rejoice at his death have just defined themselves.

Shame on them.

Edit to add: Miriam, you are beginning to understand.
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May 16 2007, 11:57 PM
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Daniel
May 16 2007, 10:13 PM
He said some "far out" things: AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuals, gays and lesbians, and others, were responsible for 9/11.  The Antichrist is a Jew already living. 

But you know, I think he had a point about purple teletubbies.  People laugh at him for that but I think he was right. 

I don't know why they would want to dance on his "grave" when he said God wanted to kill them because they were evil and that they caused 9/11. 

Hm.

You obviously miss the irony of those who call for tolerance dancing on the faux grave of one of their critics.

Hm.

Yeah...that's pretty sad.

:rolleyes2:

Stop editing.

I'm sorry. Last time I checked this was NOT a PM.

Guess I was wrong.
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Daniel
May 16 2007, 08:37 PM
I think the right (if I can make a generalization, the same that was made all day yesterday about "the left") is shocked that Falwell's death has not been met with unadulterated sadness.

You know I like you Dan, so please take this seriously when I tell you that comment like this show that you don't have a clue about the "right". For vast segments of the right, Falwell meant nothing other than being a political bedfellow (a chaste one at that ;)), able to mobilize a voter segment in the 80s.

It is not at all a question of being shocked that Falwell's death has not been met with unadulterated sadness. It is not even a question that no one expected the Left to dance on his grave, or to show their blackheartedness. There is in fact nothing shocking at all about the way Falwell has been treated in his death, and it only confirms the personal hatred the left held for the man.
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Daniel
May 16 2007, 10:13 PM
He said some "far out" things: AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuals, gays and lesbians, and others, were responsible for 9/11.  The Antichrist is a Jew already living. 

But you know, I think he had a point about purple teletubbies.  People laugh at him for that but I think he was right. 

I don't know why they would want to dance on his "grave" when he said God wanted to kill them because they were evil and that they caused 9/11. 

Hm.

You obviously miss the irony of those who call for tolerance dancing on the faux grave of one of their critics.

Hm.

Yeah...that's pretty sad.

:rolleyes2:

Stop editing.

I'm sorry. Last time I checked this was NOT a PM.

Guess I was wrong.

All I did was put it back to what you copied to spare confusion.

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May 16 2007, 07:52 PM
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May 16 2007, 11:22 PM
Daniel
May 16 2007, 10:13 PM
He said some "far out" things: AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuals, gays and lesbians, and others, were responsible for 9/11.  The Antichrist is a Jew already living. 

But you know, I think he had a point about purple teletubbies.  People laugh at him for that but I think he was right. 

I don't know why they would want to dance on his "grave" when he said God wanted to kill them because they were evil and that they caused 9/11. 

Hm.

You obviously miss the irony of those who call for tolerance dancing on the faux grave of one of their critics.

Hm.

Yeah...that's pretty sad.

:rolleyes2:

Stop editing.

I'm sorry. Last time I checked this was NOT a PM.

Guess I was wrong.

All I did was put it back to what you copied to spare confusion.

Yeah, and I also caught your snide, unneccessary comment.

If it's not a PM, I can join in a conversation whenever I wish, and, last time I checked, I had previously posted in this thread anyway.

Just because you're being backed into a corner doesn't mean I can be.
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Farewell, Falwell.
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May 16 2007, 08:11 PM
Daniel
May 16 2007, 08:37 PM
I think the right (if I can make a generalization, the same that was made all day yesterday about "the left") is shocked that Falwell's death has not been met with unadulterated sadness.

You know I like you Dan, so please take this seriously when I tell you that comment like this show that you don't have a clue about the "right". For vast segments of the right, Falwell meant nothing other than being a political bedfellow (a chaste one at that ;)), able to mobilize a voter segment in the 80s.

It is not at all a question of being shocked that Falwell's death has not been met with unadulterated sadness. It is not even a question that no one expected the Left to dance on his grave, or to show their blackheartedness. There is in fact nothing shocking at all about the way Falwell has been treated in his death, and it only confirms the personal hatred the left held for the man.

Well I like you too IT in a hunting and fishing kind of way but you know when I said "the right" I was making a joke-- I meant there is no monolithic "left" or "right" .

Your comments about the left and blackheartedness, are the kind of generalization I was protesting.

But you are right ( :shifty: ) I don't know much about the right.

I guess this part is meant for Miriam, for you, and for George:

"Hate", "Intolerance", "Bigotry" is hate, intolerance, and bigotry against minority groups (eg gays, Jews etc).

Condemning gays and Jews is not the same thing as showing a lack of tact on a posting board.

You people wear me out. :silly:

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May 16 2007, 08:19 PM
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May 16 2007, 11:57 PM
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May 16 2007, 07:52 PM
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Daniel
May 16 2007, 10:13 PM
He said some "far out" things: AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuals, gays and lesbians, and others, were responsible for 9/11.  The Antichrist is a Jew already living. 

But you know, I think he had a point about purple teletubbies.  People laugh at him for that but I think he was right. 

I don't know why they would want to dance on his "grave" when he said God wanted to kill them because they were evil and that they caused 9/11. 

Hm.

You obviously miss the irony of those who call for tolerance dancing on the faux grave of one of their critics.

Hm.

Yeah...that's pretty sad.

:rolleyes2:

Stop editing.

I'm sorry. Last time I checked this was NOT a PM.

Guess I was wrong.

All I did was put it back to what you copied to spare confusion.

Yeah, and I also caught your snide, unneccessary comment.

If it's not a PM, I can join in a conversation whenever I wish, and, last time I checked, I had previously posted in this thread anyway.

Just because you're being backed into a corner doesn't mean I can be.

When someone says PERSONALLY to someone else you miss the irony and you chime "yeah pretty sad"- you are the one who made a snide comment.

As far as being backed into a corner- you are too funny.

I don't even remember what I wrote. Can we please let it go?

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Daniel
May 16 2007, 11:22 PM
"Hate", "Intolerance", "Bigotry" is hate, intolerance, and bigotry against minority groups (eg gays, Jews etc).

Those words cannot be applied in regard to an individual? Certainly the post I made about dancing is hateful and intolerant.

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Condemning gays and Jews is not the same thing as showing a lack of tact on a posting board.

No, it's not the same. But it reflects the same mindset - and you can't minimize the hatred of Falwell (and remember, I was no fan, as I posted) by calling it a "lack of tact." Call it what it is: hatred.
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May 16 2007, 09:22 PM
I guess this part is meant for Miriam, for you, and for George:

"Hate", "Intolerance", "Bigotry" is hate, intolerance, and bigotry against minority groups (eg gays, Jews etc).

I really don't have that sort of distinction in my vocabulary. Hate is hate. Bigotry is bigotry. Intolerance is intolerance.

No need to try justifying anything because you want to excuse others in their hatred, intolerance and bigotry.
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Daniel. It's gone.

Sorry.

I still think I am allowed to comment, though. You do it to, so don't be a hypocrit.
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No, in essence I don't think it is the same mindset. I'm sorry. We'll just have to disagree.

A political reaction to a public figure who was political by his own definition and the mindset involved in bigotry against minority groups are different issues IMO.

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Daniel
May 16 2007, 09:22 PM
I guess this part is meant for Miriam, for you, and for George:

"Hate", "Intolerance", "Bigotry" is hate, intolerance, and bigotry against minority groups (eg gays, Jews etc). 

I really don't have that sort of distinction in my vocabulary. Hate is hate. Bigotry is bigotry. Intolerance is intolerance.

No need to try justifying anything because you want to excuse others in their hatred, intolerance and bigotry.

IT, we are not going to agree on this either but please see my comments to George.

PEACE OUT!

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May 16 2007, 08:48 PM
Daniel. It's gone.

Sorry.

I still think I am allowed to comment, though. You do it to, so don't be a hypocrit.

:)

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Just for further clarification (sp?) I just thought that those people performing that act are sad, not you, or anything else.

Basically, I was agreeing with the latter half of George's statement.

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Daniel
May 16 2007, 11:51 PM
A political reaction to a public figure who was political by his own definition and the mindset involved in bigotry against minority groups are different issues IMO.

So it's OK to rejoice in his death, right? It's OK to say things like "Hallelujah" in response to his death, right?

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May 16 2007, 11:51 PM
A political reaction to a public figure who was political by his own definition and the mindset involved in bigotry against minority groups are different issues IMO.

So it's OK to rejoice in his death, right? It's OK to say things like "Hallelujah" in response to his death, right?

[size=1](waiting for the inevitable Hitler analogy)[/size]

Well, by the rules of that forum, I guess such comments about public figures are OK.

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Has ot a thing to do with right or left. Has to do with common decency. You don't rejoice over the deaths of others. You just don't.

I didn't feel the emotions that were expressed there when Tim McVeigh shuffled off this mortal coil.
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No but I'm sure y'all will throw a helluva mambo party when Fidel finally kicks the bucket.
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I assume from lack of reporting or conjecture to the contrary, Jerry died with his boots on and his flag at half mast, rather than in the saddle with his assistant Megan (or Bob), right?
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Daniel
May 16 2007, 09:13 PM
He said some "far out" things: AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuals, gays and lesbians, and others, were responsible for 9/11. The Antichrist is a Jew already living.

But you know, I think he had a point about purple teletubbies. People laugh at him for that but I think he was right.

I don't know why they would want to dance on his "grave" when he said God wanted to kill them because they were evil and that they caused 9/11.

Hm.

Let me beat this one about a bit....

If you look at America as the "New Israel" or the Christian-version of Israel (God's Chosen People) as some fundamentalists do, it's not a very far stretch to superimpose the parallels of the OT onto America...if Israel turned away from God, Israel was punished, therefore if America turns away from God, America will be punished.

On a more individual basis, that is the same theology as applied to gays and AIDS. By practicing homosexuality, gays have turned away from God, therefore God has allowed AIDS to devestate much of the gay community.

Same for 9/11....all three illustrations have a common starting point - disobediance leads to correction.

As to the other point about the Anti-Christ being a Jew, that's pretty common stuff among the Revelation folks. As to whether or not these are the End of Days...who knows?
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I don't think he should have apologized for all of those things he said. I never doubted that he believed them.

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Doomsday sayers, or more politely, Revelation folks like Falwell, have been spewing the same paranoid nonsense that the AntiChrist is amongst us and the end is near since at least the Middle Ages.

Falwell, like the rest was just another in a series of charlatans.
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