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Define truth
Topic Started: Apr 27 2007, 06:46 AM (787 Views)
kenny
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Go ahead.
Don't google it or dictionary it.

Also please write in your answer before reading anyone else's post.

How do you define truth?
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John D'Oh
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A spot of T with Ruth.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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bachophile
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kenny
Apr 27 2007, 05:46 PM
Go ahead.
Don't google it or dictionary it.


can i wiki it?
"I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen
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bachophile
Apr 27 2007, 11:11 AM

can i wiki it?

You may, but since their definition isn't subject to formal peer review, it is worthless.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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kenny
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bachophile
Apr 27 2007, 07:11 AM
kenny
Apr 27 2007, 05:46 PM
Go ahead.
Don't google it or dictionary it.


can i wiki it?

What?
You can't locate your thoughts?

Don't worry about being perfect, right or comprehensive.
Just give me your definition of truth.

Seems simple enough.



Okay, I'll start.

"Truth is that which I can verify."

There are three apples on the table and I take one away.
It is true that there are two left.
I can count them.

One, two.
Yes that is two.
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John D'Oh
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I think you missed one.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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AlbertaCrude
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Kenny
 
How do you define truth?


Now if that isn't an invitation for people here to make things up ad nauseum infinitum, I don't know what is.
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Mikhailoh
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Truth is MP's post on the second page. Beside that? Truth is whatever you think it is.

Moonbat will arrive soon, I'd bet.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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kenny
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Why is everyone so afraid to define truth?

Is the question beneath you, too simple?

Worried others won't share your definition?
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Mikhailoh
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Oh yeah - that's this bunch - concerned that others will not agree with us. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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TomK
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kenny
Apr 27 2007, 11:23 AM
Why is everyone so afraid to define truth?

Is the question beneath you, too simple?

Worried others won't share your definition?

The Word of God (that would be the Christian one I'm talkiing about.)

And I KNOW other's won't share my definition. :lol:
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kenny
Apr 27 2007, 11:23 AM
Is the question beneath you, too simple?

It's so far beneath me I can't even see it.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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TomK
Apr 27 2007, 11:34 AM
The Word of God (that would be the Christian one I'm talkiing about.)

Whose translation?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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kenny
Apr 27 2007, 07:23 AM
Why is everyone so afraid to define truth?

Is the question beneath you, too simple?

Worried others won't share your definition?

I yield my answer to any philosophy survey course ever taught anywhere. :silly:

Seriously though, if kenny wants a definition, I'll give him one. I always liked the theory of correspondence:

Truth belongs to the objective reality of a thing, or its essence. It is not our description or understanding of a thing that is true, because that will always be limited.

For example, the essence of a baseball in objective reality is a truth. We use words like "baseball", "sphere", "white", "weight" and other things to try and describe aspects of its essence, but these are all limited and do not fully describe the baseball. This is why the essence of a thing, not its description, is a truth.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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TomK
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Which implies a dualism in the world. OK.

So Aqua, is "baseball" then subjective to only how the human mind views it?
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TomK
Apr 27 2007, 07:46 AM
Which implies a dualism in the world. OK.

So Aqua, is "baseball" then subjective to only how the human mind views it?

There's not really a dualism, there's "what is", and there is our limited understanding of "what is", that's all.

Well, if we're talking about the truth of a thing, our grasp of what the truth is will always be limited. It's as if we are all in a cave, and objective reality walks across the cave entrance, casting shadows across the wall. We see the shadows and take that to be the truth, but really it is just a limited representation of the things outside the cave, whose blinding light we cannot see. All we get are the shadows.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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John D'Oh
Apr 27 2007, 09:39 AM
TomK
Apr 27 2007, 11:34 AM
The Word of God (that would be the Christian one I'm talkiing about.)

Whose translation?

Which revelation? The latest- the one Mohammad recieved via Gabriel?
Or how about Joseph Smith's?

If of course, there's only the one God, the God of Abraham.
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TomK
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The dualism is between the essence--what you and I see as a baseball--the way we could see a red baseball or a keychain baseball or a picture of a baseball and still know it's a baseball. even though a "baseball" has none of those real attributes. As opposed to the actual "existance" of a baseball--which isn't red or a keychain or a picture...

And you're right we all do live in a cave.
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truth is when your opinion and popular consensus are the same. :)
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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kenny
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Apr 27 2007, 07:54 AM
Well, if we're talking about the truth of a thing, our grasp of what the truth is will always be limited.  It's as if we are all in a cave, and objective reality walks across the cave entrance, casting shadows across the wall.  We see the shadows and take that to be the truth, but really it is just a limited representation of the things outside the cave, whose blinding light we cannot see.  All we get are the shadows.


I think you are onto something.
The mind needs to be sure of things.

So there is truth.
Then their is our experience which leads to our understanding.
When satisfied that our understanding is bulletproof we are sure.
We may even define that thing we are sure of as truth.

On the cave wall we see the shadow of a man walking by the opening.
We can say we are sure a man walked by.
But this may not be true
It could have been a robot.
Or the cave wall may be a cleverly disguised video screen projecting a shadow.

What I find very interesting is the possibility that even when we are very sure we may find we were wrong after getting more information.

Now that I'm older I am much less sure of many things.
I even question the idea of truth.

Truth seems external and absolute.
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kenny
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Horace
Apr 27 2007, 08:02 AM
truth is when your opinion and popular consensus are the same. :)

That is what I call agreement, which is frequently misperceived to be truth.

Sorry that this kind of lets the air out of the tires, but seems more accurate to me.
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kenny
Apr 27 2007, 09:20 AM


Truth seems external and absolute.

Agreed. :smile:
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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AlbertaCrude
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A truth is a truth. What kind of a truth? It's a truth. A truth is a truth. And when you have a good truth, it's because it's true.
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kenny
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Apr 27 2007, 09:29 AM
kenny
Apr 27 2007, 09:20 AM


Truth seems external and absolute.

Agreed. :smile:

So we can say, "A sunflower grows from a sunflower seed."
This is absolute truth.

Right?
Well, maybe not, you may be able to get another sunflower from rooting a stem of a sunflower.

Okay, here we go, another try at absolute truth:
We can say, "The only seed from which a sunflower can grow is a sunflower seed."


Absolute truth?
As far as I can tell, Yes.
Can you find any holes in this absolute truth?
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kenny
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TomK
Apr 27 2007, 07:34 AM

The Word of God (that would be the Christian one I'm talkiing about.)

Tom even if you believe that with all your might it doesn't make it absolutely true.
It is in the category or religious belief.

A muslim can also believe in her religion with all her might.

They can't both be true because they claim different things.
One religion MAY be true, but they cannot both be.
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