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Death Camps I have Visited
Topic Started: Apr 14 2007, 12:53 PM (449 Views)
TomK
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thank u for sharing.

ive only been to terezin, on a side trip from prague.

my kids have been to auschwitz, with their school trips.
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I went to Auschwitz about 10 years ago. I was dating a Polish girl and we were driving form Wroclaw (her home town) to Krakow, and stopped at Auschwitz/Birkinau.

We showed up at Birkinau after all the tourist busses had left for the day. Thus Birkinau was completely empty when we walked into it. Not a single person in sight. No visual reminders that any time had past since 1945. It was a very powerful experience.

In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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I haven't been to Auschwitz, but I've been to Dachau. That was in 1982, and I can still feel it on my skin when I think about it. That sounds like a strange description, but that's as close as I can come.
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Tom, was your posting those pictures a coincidence, or something else?

This Sunday, April 15th, is Yom haShoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day. The Israeli parliament mandated the creation of this day–which falls on the 27th of Nisan in the Jewish calendar—in 1951, to honor the memories and the unimaginable sufferings of the victims of the Holocaust.

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TomK,

which death camps are the pictures from?

I have been to a couple of death/concentration camps as well, the last one being Dachau (actually I lived only 20km from Dachau for two years).
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I have visited this eerie place of death in Kyiv:

Babi Yar
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Can anyone remember these places and still ask why we have to fight against those who would do similarly?
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TomK
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All the pics are from Auschwitz, Birkinau.

I've also been to Dachau. These pics were particularly moving because of a group of Israeli kids were there. They occasionally sang some song. As I said, pretty moving.

A coincidence? Maybe, not.
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Powerful images. Thanks, Tom.
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Klaus
Apr 15 2007, 12:09 PM
(actually I lived only 20km from Dachau for two years).

Where exactly? I have good friends in and near Munich.
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I've never been to one, although I've always felt that I should. I once worked for a couple of weeks in Celle, Germany, which close to Belsen, but I couldn't summon up the courage to visit. I find these photos very moving.
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I visited Dachau in 2003. This monument is at the entrance to the crematoria area:

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It says, essentially, "Consider how we died here."



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IAF Eagles Over Auschwitz - Sept. 4, 2003
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Apr 16 2007, 12:47 AM
I've never been to one, although I've always felt that I should. I once worked for a couple of weeks in Celle, Germany, which close to Belsen, but I couldn't summon up the courage to visit. I find these photos very moving.

Same here.
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Israelis Mourn 6 Million Jews Murdered on Holocaust Remembrance Day

JERUSALEM — Sirens sounded across Israel on Monday morning, bringing life to a standstill as millions of Israelis observed a moment of silence to honor the memory of the victims of the Holocaust.

The two-minute siren at 10 a.m. is an annual tradition marking Israel's Holocaust remembrance day, which began Sunday evening and ends at sundown Monday. Pedestrians froze in their tracks, buses stopped on busy streets, and cars on major highways pulled over as the country paused to pay respect to the 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis.

All day, television stations devoted their broadcasts to historical documentaries and movies, and radio stations played somber music and interviews with survivors.

At a ceremony Sunday at Yad Vashem, Israel's official Holocaust memorial and museum, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert noted that Israel celebrates its 59th independence day next week.

"The renewal of the Jewish people, its shaking off the ashes of the Holocaust for a new life and national rebirth in its historic birthplace, is the pinnacle of its victory," he said.

Sunday's ceremony threatened to cause a diplomatic flap between Israel and the Vatican, after the Roman Catholic church's envoy to Israel said he would boycott the event because of a caption at the museum describing the wartime conduct of Pope Pius XII.

But hours before the ceremony, Monsignor Antonio Franco reversed his decision, averting what could have been a blow to a fragile relationship.

Israel and the Vatican established diplomatic relations in 1993, after hundreds of years of painful relations between Catholicism and Judaism. Though ties have warmed considerably in recent years, many sensitive issues remain unresolved, including the Vatican's actions during the Nazi genocide.

The caption next to the picture of Pius in Yad Vashem's museum reads, "even when reports about the murder of Jews reached the Vatican, the pope did not protest," refusing to sign a 1942 Allied condemnation of the massacre of Jews.

Pius "maintained his neutral position" with two exceptions, the caption says, criticizing "his silence and absence of guidelines." The exceptions were appeals to the rulers of Hungary and Slovakia toward the end of the war.

Yad Vashem spokeswoman Iris Rosenberg said the Holocaust museum and memorial appreciated Franco's decision, calling it "the right thing to do."

"Yad Vashem believes that it was inappropriate to link an issue of historical research with commemoration of the victims of the Holocaust," she said.

The disputed photo caption first appeared in 2005, when Yad Vashem opened its new museum. Shortly after, the previous Vatican ambassador asked that the caption be changed.

Yad Vashem has not done so, insisting its research on the pope's role was accurate.

Yad Vashem said it would be ready to re-examine Pius XII's conduct during the Holocaust if the Vatican opened its World War II-era archives to the museum's research staff and new material emerged. Despite frequent requests from Holocaust researchers, the Vatican has denied access to major parts of its archives, including wartime papers.

The Vatican has struggled to defend its wartime pope as it pushes his sainthood cause, insisting that Pius spearheaded discreet diplomacy that saved thousands of Jews.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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TomK
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Here's a poem by (I believe) someone killed in a concentration camp.

(I believe it's correct--I'm doing from memory.)

Peace to all men of evil will.

Let there be an end to all vengeance, to all demands for punishment and retribution.

Crimes have surpassed all measure they can no longer be grasped by human understanding.

There are too many martyrs and so weigh not their suffering on the scales of justice Lord and lay not these suffering at the tortures's charge to exact a terrible reckoning from them.

Pay them back in a different way.

Put down in favor of the executioners, the informers, the traitors, and all men of evil will, the courage, the spiritual strength of others, their humility, their lofty dignity, their constant inner striving and invincible hope.

The smile that staunches the tears their love, their ravaged broken hearts that remain steadfast and confident in the face of death itself.

Yet even at the moments of uttermost weakness, yet let all this O Lord be laid before thee, for the forgiveness of sins as a ransom for the triumph of righteousness.

Let the good and not the evil be taken into account.

And may we remain in our enemies memories, not as their victims, not as a nightmare, not as a haunting specter, but as helpers in their striving to destroy the fury of their criminal passions.

There is nothing more we want of them.
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