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| After Imus, What's Next? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 13 2007, 09:55 AM (1,143 Views) | |
| JBryan | Apr 13 2007, 09:55 AM Post #1 |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jack Frost | Apr 13 2007, 11:19 AM Post #2 |
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Bull-Carp
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It's ironic that the Democrats are bucking to reinstate the fairness doctrine at a time we keep hearing about the liberal bias in the media. Something doesn't add up. As to what's next, I would not be in favor of more government regulation. I would love to see something build on the meeting that Imus had with the team that finally put some pressure on rap music. I think that one of the reasons Imus lost his show was that all the publicity made a lot of people (like me) who hardly knew him take a good look. There was a lot not to like. I think there are a lot of people (again including me) who are not aware of the pervasiveness of offensive racist and sexist lyrics in rap music, and that if there were a series of news days exporing the subject, we might find some of the so-called artists also losing some of their air-time. The dynamic is a little different when the big money is in cd sales and not corporate sponsors, but the big music companies should be vulnerable to some shame. Part of this, of course, would be to put Reverend Sharpton on the hot seat for his past support of rap music as "free speech." Maybe something good can come of all this. By the way, I thought Imus showed a lot of class going to meet with the team and, given their reaction, he was obviously very effective in convincing them of his sincerety. jf |
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| JBryan | Apr 13 2007, 11:30 AM Post #3 |
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The fairness doctrine never affected the media when it was last in force. They always managed to hide under the journalism rubric disguising their opinions as news. It is doubly insidious in that news carries more weight with the consumer than opinion. The fairness doctrine only applies to opinion. The real target here is conservative talk radio. Liberals for years have been waiting for the chance to muzzle Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck et al. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 13 2007, 11:40 AM Post #4 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Speaking from the left side of the podium, I don't see why the Imus thing is impetus for anything at all. Imus said something stupid. He admits it, everyone agrees. The question was, what should be done about it. Sponsors voted with their feet. Employees of the networks expressed their opinions. And the networks eventually made a choice. All without the need for governmental regulation. Ain't the free market wonderful? I'd love to muzzle Rush too, but I don't think I want the FCC to do it for me. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Apr 13 2007, 11:51 AM Post #5 |
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You may not want to but others do: http://sweetness-light.com/ |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| TomK | Apr 13 2007, 11:59 AM Post #6 |
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Quite the Nazi speech police, arn't they? |
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| Jack Frost | Apr 13 2007, 12:00 PM Post #7 |
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I just don't see that happening. jf |
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| George K | Apr 13 2007, 12:01 PM Post #8 |
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What's next? (speaking of Nazis) This: On April 20, 2007, the American National Socialist Workers Party of Roanoke, VA—a neo-Nazi group—plans to march through the predominantly African-American neighborhood of Over-the-Rhine in Cincinnati. The city initially issued a permit to the group for its march, but the permit was soon revoked and prohibitions were added by city officials limiting the group’s demonstration to a three-block area. Believing their constitutional rights to free speech and free assembly have been violated, the ACLU of Ohio will be defending the demonstrators. The ACLU condemns violent action and supports its prevention. Yet we also believe that our government must allow citizens their unhindered right to free speech. The City of Cincinnati should stand behind this basic freedom while taking steps to ensure a peaceful demonstration. As in previous cases where the ACLU has come to the defense of people or groups with whom we disagree, our position is rooted in certain fundamental principles. While we in no way endorse the views of the American National Socialist Workers Party, we believe that the constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and press would be meaningless if the government could pick and choose the persons to whom they apply. |
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| JBryan | Apr 13 2007, 12:06 PM Post #9 |
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Well, for one thing, if there was a move by the Democrat controlled Congress to resurrect the fairness doctrine it would be vetoed by Bush. But make no mistake about it. They are going to try and if they get a Democrat into the White House in '08 (while still rertaining control of the Legislative) they could do it. This is not at all far fetched. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jack Frost | Apr 13 2007, 12:06 PM Post #10 |
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Somehow, I don't think David Brock is going to get very far. Quirt, the Imus thing may be the "impetus" for something positive because the media light is shing on this issue right now. jf |
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| JBryan | Apr 13 2007, 12:07 PM Post #11 |
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Davis Brock is not the only one behind this. There are a lot of Democrats in the House and the Senate who have been trying to push this through for years. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 13 2007, 12:13 PM Post #12 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Wow, the ACLU is supporting free speech? Who could have predicted that??? For the record, I agree with them. Whether it's the mayor of NY cordoning off the Republican convention from demonstrators, or Nazis in Cincinnati, free speech is a core value. Let them protest (but make sure they bear the costs of the necessary police overtime). Sunlight is still the best disinfectant. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Apr 13 2007, 12:20 PM Post #13 |
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I agree Quirt. I just couldn't help but be taken with the irony of this. Imus gets walking papers for being offensive (I know, he has the right to say whatever, and he takes the consequences of it - as he should), and the ACLU marches with the Nazis. Do you think they'll pay for the cops' overtime? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Frank_W | Apr 13 2007, 12:30 PM Post #14 |
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George Orwell was a prophet....
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Copper | Apr 13 2007, 12:43 PM Post #15 |
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Has the ACLU offered to take up Imus' case? |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 13 2007, 01:34 PM Post #16 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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There's no First Amendment issue in Imus' case. The First Amendment only applies to governmental action, such as denying a permit to stage a protest. It does not apply to a private employer's decision to fire an employee for saying something stupid, or even something smart that the employer doesn't like. Imus was and still is free to say what he wants. CBS, however, is not required by the First Amendment to provide a platform for him to do so. Since there are no First Amendment/free speech implications, I don't see why or how the ACLU could get involved in the Imus situation. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Copper | Apr 13 2007, 01:53 PM Post #17 |
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Check out their web site. http://aclu.org/ They'll take on just about any unsavory cause you can imagine. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 13 2007, 02:01 PM Post #18 |
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I'm sure you have a theory how any of this would apply to Imus' situation. Recognizing, of course, that the First Amendment doesn't apply. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Copper | Apr 13 2007, 02:52 PM Post #19 |
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Don't get too hung up the first amendment. The ACLU is now way beyond that. Take a look at that web page. They have a section on workplace rights that starts off like this: "The Constitution does not apply to the workplace. In the 18th Century, when the Bill of Rights was adopted, only the government was seen as a major threat to individual rights. Today, many if not most Americans are more vulnerable to violations of their rights by employers than early Americans were by the government. Private sector employees that are not unionized can be fired for any reason, without due process." They'll take on just about anything these days. They really like the little guy against the big guy angle. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| 1hp | Apr 13 2007, 03:13 PM Post #20 |
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Hilary Clinton's comments on the Imus thing: "Don Imus's comments about them were nothing more than small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism," she says on the Web site. "They showed a disregard for basic decency and were disrespectful and degrading to African Americans and women everywhere. Please join me in sending the young women of Rutgers a message of respect and support. Show them that we are proud to stand with them and for them." Then we read: Ubiquitous sound architect Timbaland is set to host a lavish fundraiser for Democratic Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton in Miami, FL this month. Timbaland (born Timothy Mosley) will host the fundraiser on Mar. 31, which is the last day of the first-quarter fund-raising period for Presidential candidates, according to the Miami Herald. The fundraiser is reportedly billed at $1,000 per attendee. Former President Bill Clinton is also slated to appear at the event. For a sample of Timbalands' lyrics (not printable here) - go to Timbaland lyrics More lyrics Timbaland helped her raise $800,000. And Hilary expects me to help vote her into the presidential office when she associates with friends like that, not too mention how she slams Imus but accepts Timbaland? |
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| Jack Frost | Apr 13 2007, 03:19 PM Post #21 |
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This story needs to get out there. Now. Not after the nomination. jf |
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| Kincaid | Apr 13 2007, 03:50 PM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The story will get out - at least for now - until the Fairness Doctrine is put back in place. |
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| TomK | Apr 13 2007, 03:57 PM Post #23 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hillary gets my money. For a while.
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| Jack Frost | Apr 13 2007, 05:33 PM Post #24 |
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I just sent that stuff to Leonard Pitts. I hope it's accurate cause I did not fact check it. That REALLY needs to get out. She needs to be stained.... jf |
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| George K | Apr 13 2007, 05:38 PM Post #25 |
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(ducking) Hannity and Colmes are over this story right now. Colmes is coming off like a twit (surprise), questioning whether Elton John's association with Timbaland should be criticized. He's also questioning whether taking money should be considered an "association" with the rapper. Hannity (thank goodness) has, so far, been silent. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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