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DoJ Official To Take the Fifth
Topic Started: Mar 26 2007, 05:58 PM (942 Views)
Larry
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I have an even better idea. Let's demand the democrats stop spending all their time and all our money engaging in witch hunts, and tell them to either get to the business of protecting this country or resign and go home so someone who actually cares about the country can take their place.
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Mar 29 2007, 08:44 AM
I have an even better idea. Let's demand the democrats stop spending all their time and all our money engaging in witch hunts, and tell them to either get to the business of protecting this country or resign and go home so someone who actually cares about the country can take their place.

Witch hunts, as in going after someone for, at worst, lying about sex acts between two consenting adults?



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Perjury and subornation of perjury are worse that merely lying. Especially from the guy constitutionally charged with faithfully executing the laws.
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Mar 29 2007, 09:44 AM
Perjury and subornation of perjury are worse that merely lying. Especially from the guy constitutionally charged with faithfully executing the laws.

But politically-motivated machinations and perjury from the top officials in the law-enforcement arm of the federal government is no big deal?



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OT, why don't you stop making excuses for your dysfunctional party and demand more from them than what you're getting?
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Mar 29 2007, 01:44 PM
Perjury and subornation of perjury are worse that merely lying. Especially from the guy constitutionally charged with faithfully executing the laws.

JB, I'm certainly not going to disagree with that, but I harken back to ow frequently you and others talk about "no crime" being committed by Libby. Well, the underlying crime in Clinton's case turned out to be a couple of blow jobs. The underlying crime in Libby's case, if there was one, turned out to be something that the prosecutor felt he could not prove.

Both men appear to have committed perjury and obstructed justice.

Where is the meaningful distinction?

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To both OT and jf, not once, not a single time, did I say, suggest, or imply that Scooter Libby should not be prosecuted if he committed perjury. Whether or not there was an underlying crime. I have remained utterly consistent on that point. I find it more than a bit aggravating when two people in a row post something that suggests I ever said otherwise.

Do you people know how to read?
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


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Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Mar 29 2007, 09:59 AM
OT, why don't you stop making excuses for your dysfunctional party and demand more from them than what you're getting?

They're not my party, dysfunctional or otherwise.



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Mar 29 2007, 10:32 AM
To both OT and jf, not once, not a single time, did I say, suggest, or imply that Scooter Libby should not be prosecuted if he committed perjury. Whether or not there was an underlying crime. I have remained utterly consistent on that point. I find it more than a bit aggravating when two people in a row post something that suggests I ever said otherwise.

Do you people know how to read?

JB, my reply was with regards to the shennanigans at the DoJ.



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This perfectly illustrates what I have been saying. If perjury was committed with regard to that matter then there should be consequences. I have never suggested otherwise. It is the underlying matter that I find to be a joke.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Mar 29 2007, 01:55 PM
This perfectly illustrates what I have been saying. If perjury was committed with regard to that matter then there should be consequences. I have never suggested otherwise. It is the underlying matter that I find to be a joke.

Did you find equal humor in the matter underlying Clinton's situation? And were you equally outraged when a Republican Congress was investigating the President over such frivolous matters?

To paraphrase what you said in the other thread, I find it hard to believe that you were equally outraged over Republican investigations of Clinton's sex life.
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As I recall, Clinton was brought up on a civil suit and that was the matter for which the perjury charge obtained. I also recall that the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that he could not be shielded from a civil suit just because he was President. I actually disagreed with them on this but that was the ruling all the same. I don't recall any of the legion Republican investigations during his Administration to be about trivial matters. Whether it was travelgate, the FBI files, whitewater, webster hubbel's sweetheart deals, Johnny Chung, the Riadys, transfer of technology to China, campaign finance by same, etc., etc., etc. none were about trivial matters.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Mar 29 2007, 02:49 PM
As I recall, Clinton was brought up on a civil suit and that was the matter for which the perjury charge obtained. I also recall that the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that he could not be shielded from a civil suit just because he was President. I actually disagreed with them on this but that was the ruling all the same. I don't recall any of the legion Republican investigations during his Administration to be about trivial matters. Whether it was travelgate, the FBI files, whitewater, webster hubbel's sweetheart deals, Johnny Chung, the Riadys, transfer of technology to China, campaign finance by same, etc., etc., etc. none were about trivial matters.

Yeah, Travelgate is just soooo much more significant than the possibility that US Attorneys were being fired in order to stop investigations of Republicans and start investigations of Democrats.

Be careful, JB, your lack of objectivity is showing.
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Quirt, you're forgetting Clinton had Vince Foster killed. It's a much more serious matter!



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Mar 29 2007, 02:04 PM
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Mar 29 2007, 02:49 PM
As I recall, Clinton was brought up on a civil suit and that was the matter for which the perjury charge obtained. I also recall that the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that he could not be shielded from a civil suit just because he was President. I actually disagreed with them on this but that was the ruling all the same. I don't recall any of the legion Republican investigations during his Administration to be about trivial matters. Whether it was travelgate, the FBI files, whitewater, webster hubbel's sweetheart deals, Johnny Chung, the Riadys, transfer of technology to China, campaign finance by same, etc., etc., etc. none were about trivial matters.

Yeah, Travelgate is just soooo much more significant than the possibility that US Attorneys were being fired in order to stop investigations of Republicans and start investigations of Democrats.

Be careful, JB, your lack of objectivity is showing.

Cherry-picking.

You didn't say a word about the FBI files, whitewater, webster hubbel's sweetheart deals, Johnny Chung, the Riadys, transfer of technology to China, campaign finance by China.

All of which were much more important than Travelgate.

OTOH, at least the Bush Adminsitration can make an argument for the firing of the US Attorneys...I never did hear why the Clintons fired people for doing an outstanding job, through multiple administrations....
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Mar 29 2007, 02:04 PM
Be careful, JB, your lack of objectivity is showing.

Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image

Breathlessly, with an exclamation point you posted the title of this thread.

Unfortunately, statements like this one:

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Presidential appointees are judged not only on their professional skills but also their management abilities, their relationships with law enforcement and other governmental leaders and their support for the priorities of the president and the attorney general," Sampson said.

He strongly denied Democrats' allegations that some of the prosecutors were dismissed for pursuing Republicans too much and Democrats not enough in corruption cases.

"To my knowledge, nothing of the sort occurred here," he said.


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Mar 29 2007, 02:51 PM
Larry
Mar 29 2007, 09:59 AM
OT, why don't you stop making excuses for your dysfunctional party and demand more from them than what you're getting?

They're not my party, dysfunctional or otherwise.

Then why do you carry so much water for them, to the point of excluding rational thought?
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Mar 29 2007, 02:55 PM
This perfectly illustrates what I have been saying. If perjury was committed with regard to that matter then there should be consequences. I have never suggested otherwise. It is the underlying matter that I find to be a joke.

JB, my point is that there was no way to know that the "underlying matter" was a joke or not until there was an investigation, and there was no meaningful way to do the investigation without a grand jury. Fitzgerald is certainly not on a witch hunt for Republicans and his record in Chicago shows just how zealously he can persue Democrats.

In any event, he seems to agree with you that no crime was committed, at least not one he could prove.

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Yes, I agree with all that but the point you were making was that I didn't think Libby should be prosecuted for perjury because there was no underlying crime. A point that was clearly false.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Mar 29 2007, 12:09 PM
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Larry
Mar 29 2007, 09:59 AM
OT, why don't you stop making excuses for your dysfunctional party and demand more from them than what you're getting?

They're not my party, dysfunctional or otherwise.

Then why do you carry so much water for them, to the point of excluding rational thought?

That's an assumption on your part. I'll just let that speak for itself...



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Mar 29 2007, 03:37 PM
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Mar 29 2007, 01:55 PM
This perfectly illustrates what I have been saying. If perjury was committed with regard to that matter then there should be consequences. I have never suggested otherwise. It is the underlying matter that I find to be a joke.

Did you find equal humor in the matter underlying Clinton's situation? And were you equally outraged when a Republican Congress was investigating the President over such frivolous matters?

To paraphrase what you said in the other thread, I find it hard to believe that you were equally outraged over Republican investigations of Clinton's sex life.

There's nothing frivolous about a president engaging in activities that open him up to being blackmailed. You brain dead yellow dog democrats keep wanting to make it sound like the issue was just unimportant fun and games. It wasn't. Nor was it about sex. It wouldn't have mattered what it was - if it put the president in a compromised position open to being blackmailed, or anything of that kind, the people had a right to know about it, and Clinton had a legal obligation to tell the truth.

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That's an assumption on your part. I'll just let that speak for itself...


But OT........ it already *has* spoken.... and you prove it with nearly every post you write........ :D
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Mar 29 2007, 02:49 PM
As I recall, Clinton was brought up on a civil suit and that was the matter for which the perjury charge obtained. I also recall that the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that he could not be shielded from a civil suit just because he was President. I actually disagreed with them on this but that was the ruling all the same. I don't recall any of the legion Republican investigations during his Administration to be about trivial matters. Whether it was travelgate, the FBI files, whitewater, webster hubbel's sweetheart deals, Johnny Chung, the Riadys, transfer of technology to China, campaign finance by same, etc., etc., etc. none were about trivial matters.

Yeah, Travelgate is just soooo much more significant than the possibility that US Attorneys were being fired in order to stop investigations of Republicans and start investigations of Democrats.

Be careful, JB, your lack of objectivity is showing.

I guess I just thought the matter of the most powerful man in the country utterly destroying a lowly civil servant to put his cronies in his job was more serious than you seem to take it. He could have simply fired the guy and installed his cronies anyway. There would have been nothing really improper about it. Instead, he had to trump up some phony charges against Billy Dale and subject him to the meat grinder of the criminal system. The charges were laughed out of court when they finally reached trial but he was ruined financially.

And I thought the Dems were for the little guy.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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That's an assumption on your part. I'll just let that speak for itself...


But OT........ it already *has* spoken.... and you prove it with nearly every post you write........ :D

Word.



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JB, my reply was with regards to the shennanigans at the DoJ.

And what "shennanigans" would that be? There's been no proof of any "shenannigans", only accusations and political witch hunting.
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