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What are the benefits to society; of Polygamous Marriage?
Topic Started: Jan 8 2007, 03:07 PM (1,299 Views)
Daniel\
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Your first paragraph after the first sentence didn't make sense to me.

The second paragraph (sentence) didn't make sense to me.

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Larry
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Daniel, you are aware I hope that just because a majority holds a particular view it doesn't make their view the correct one. It could mean the majority have had their views influenced by the same incorrect information. At one point, the majority view was that the earth was flat. A majority of leftwing fruitcakes think the Iraq war was a bad move. History is filled with people who had to stand by their convictions against the tide of public opinion, with history also proving that public opinion was wrong, and they were right. One problem that exists today is an ever growing segment of the population who are incapable of thinking deeply enough to see much more than a surface level understanding of issues. I think 89th's viewpoint may have been arrived at through a lot more complexity of thought than you realize.



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Larry
Jan 9 2007, 07:51 AM
Daniel, you are aware I hope that just because a majority holds a particular view it doesn't make their view the correct one. It could mean the majority have had their views influenced by the same incorrect information. At one point, the majority view was that the earth was flat. A majority of leftwing fruitcakes think the Iraq war was a bad move. History is filled with people who had to stand by their convictions against the tide of public opinion, with history also proving that public opinion was wrong, and they were right. One problem that exists today is an ever growing segment of the population who are incapable of thinking deeply enough to see much more than a surface level understanding of issues. I think 89th's viewpoint may have been arrived at through a lot more complexity of thought than you realize.

Larry, let's leave off the subject of 89th for a minute, I don't know what you're referring to by the majority opinion in this context?

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Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 11:54 AM
Larry
Jan 9 2007, 07:51 AM
Daniel, you are aware I hope that just because a majority holds a particular view it doesn't make their view the correct one. It could mean the majority have had their views influenced by the same incorrect information. At one point, the majority view was that the earth was flat. A majority of leftwing fruitcakes think the Iraq war was a bad move. History is filled with people who had to stand by their convictions against the tide of public opinion, with history also proving that public opinion was wrong, and they were right. One problem that exists today is an ever growing segment of the population who are incapable of thinking deeply enough to see much more than a surface level understanding of issues. I think 89th's viewpoint may have been arrived at through a lot more complexity of thought than you realize.

Larry, let's leave off the subject of 89th for a minute, I don't know what you're referring to by the majority opinion in this context?

Well...the discussion has been about polygamy and gay marriage....so, I wonder, could it be about that????
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IMO, the majority of people don't want gay marriage because it's 'a bit icky'. (a phrase requiring a hat-tip to Dewey)
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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:no:

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I don't speak Larry- oops my bad.

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Jan 9 2007, 07:58 AM
IMO, the majority of people don't want gay marriage because it's 'a bit icky'. (a phrase requiring a hat-tip to Dewey)

That's right. 'Cuz icky things makes some people a bit uncomfortable in polite company.
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Jan 9 2007, 07:55 AM
Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 11:54 AM
Larry
Jan 9 2007, 07:51 AM
Daniel, you are aware I hope that just because a majority holds a particular view it doesn't make their view the correct one. It could mean the majority have had their views influenced by the same incorrect information. At one point, the majority view was that the earth was flat. A majority of leftwing fruitcakes think the Iraq war was a bad move. History is filled with people who had to stand by their convictions against the tide of public opinion, with history also proving that public opinion was wrong, and they were right. One problem that exists today is an ever growing segment of the population who are incapable of thinking deeply enough to see much more than a surface level understanding of issues. I think 89th's viewpoint may have been arrived at through a lot more complexity of thought than you realize.

Larry, let's leave off the subject of 89th for a minute, I don't know what you're referring to by the majority opinion in this context?

Well...the discussion has been about polygamy and gay marriage....so, I wonder, could it be about that????

WHAT about that is what I meant. Sorry if it wasn't clear to you.

The majority don't want same-sex marriage. Or polygamy. Larry is instructing me that the majority isn't always right.

What this has to do with anything at this point I don't know.

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Jan 9 2007, 08:09 AM
Are we going too fast for you?

If you don't want to talk to me then don't. I didn't ask you to.

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I don't mind talking to you at all, Daniel. I was just wanted to be sure you could follow the conversation.

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Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 10:48 AM
Your first paragraph after the first sentence didn't make sense to me.

The second paragraph (sentence) didn't make sense to me.

What doesn't make sense?
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Larry
Jan 9 2007, 10:51 AM
Daniel, you are aware I hope that just because a majority holds a particular view it doesn't make their view the correct one. It could mean the majority have had their views influenced by the same incorrect information. At one point, the majority view was that the earth was flat. A majority of leftwing fruitcakes think the Iraq war was a bad move. History is filled with people who had to stand by their convictions against the tide of public opinion, with history also proving that public opinion was wrong, and they were right. One problem that exists today is an ever growing segment of the population who are incapable of thinking deeply enough to see much more than a surface level understanding of issues. I think 89th's viewpoint may have been arrived at through a lot more complexity of thought than you realize.

Nah, I just flipped a coin. :D
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Jan 9 2007, 07:42 AM
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Jan 9 2007, 10:35 AM
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Jan 9 2007, 08:35 AM
I object to the question in the first place.  These slippery slope arguments are an evasion of the issue and a scare tactic.

You may view it as such, but the same logic is in place there as it is with homosexual marriage. You see, I have just as much a problem with gay marriage as I do with polygamous marriage and other forms of unions I wont mention. I draw my line where I think its best for society based on the general rationale of both history, tradition, and biology - one man and one woman. However, once you get past that and go into relatively abnormal sexual orientations attractions and various unions, the logic is the same - I cant help who I'm attracted to, it's not hurting anyone, dont treat me as second class, let us have the same rights as hetero couples, etc. In fact, if you support gay marriage but not polygamous marriage, that IMO is being more of a bigot than my view! :lol:

89th, If I can be blunt. Your views about same-sex marriage are grounded in your religious views about sex. Although 'society' agrees with you, at this point, there are people who believe that civil marriage should be available to homosexuals and heteosexuals. If I recall, 2-1 on this board according to my poll. Of course my poll started a string of threads. I guess it was a slippery slope to ask the question. :crazy:

No, my views about same-sex marriage isn't based on religion. However, my views about same-sex *activities* are based on both religious and non-religious reasoning. There's a big difference.

I'm not sure how this applies to the slippery slope point.

What you do is you take my post.

Apply it to what you wrote here.

Stop wasting my time 89th.
Your smug arrogant attitude is childish and offensive.

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Larry
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Jan 9 2007, 10:58 AM
IMO, the majority of people don't want gay marriage because it's 'a bit icky'. (a phrase requiring a hat-tip to Dewey)

I'm sure that plays a part in it for some. But I think the real reason is a lot more complex than that.

Marriage - civil union. Go back in time - marriage was instituted by religion. Governmental involvement came later. Come forward in time - "marriage" is *still* connected to religion. Don't sidetrack into whether or not religion is right or wrong for a moment - stay with me.

What does a heterosexual atheist couple do - do they get married, or do they have a civil union? How many heterosexual atheist couples are going to a church to have a wedding? None is my guess. Since they don't want a church wedding, with a pastor or rabbi signing papers "marrying" them in the "eyes of the church", wouldn't their wedding be a formal event tied to a civil union? One can be married in the church only, in a courthouse only, or in both. Since government now involves itself in marriage, all marriages are civil unions, the only "marriage" part being the part where the church acknowledges it.

I don't see a problem, as long as homosexuals are allowed to form civil unions, which I think they should be allowed to do. And their civil union should be recognized by insurance companies, retirement plans, and government things such as taxation.

The issue is "marriage". It seems that some are of the opinion that unless the church recognizes gay marriage then homosexuals are being discriminated against. That is not the case. Gays have no more right demanding religious organizations recognize them as a married couple than alchoholics have a right demanding the church recognizes drunken parties as taking communion.

And don't come at me with the argument that religion hates gays. That's a whole other issue, and we don't need another incorrect argument muddying up this water.

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AlbertaCrude
Jan 9 2007, 12:05 PM
John D'Oh
Jan 9 2007, 07:58 AM
IMO, the majority of people don't want gay marriage because it's 'a bit icky'. (a phrase requiring a hat-tip to Dewey)

That's right. 'Cuz icky things makes some people a bit uncomfortable in polite company.

And what's wrong with wanting to feel comfortable in polite society?
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If people don't want gay marriage, they shouldn't have one. I don't understand why this is such a problem that it prevents those that do, from having one. :shrug:
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And what's wrong with wanting to feel comfortable in polite society?


More like what's right about it [polite society]?
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Okay... Another edit: I don't see it as a left or right or a right or wrong issue.
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Nor do I.
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Jan 9 2007, 11:29 AM
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Jan 9 2007, 10:35 AM
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Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 08:35 AM
I object to the question in the first place.  These slippery slope arguments are an evasion of the issue and a scare tactic.

You may view it as such, but the same logic is in place there as it is with homosexual marriage. You see, I have just as much a problem with gay marriage as I do with polygamous marriage and other forms of unions I wont mention. I draw my line where I think its best for society based on the general rationale of both history, tradition, and biology - one man and one woman. However, once you get past that and go into relatively abnormal sexual orientations attractions and various unions, the logic is the same - I cant help who I'm attracted to, it's not hurting anyone, dont treat me as second class, let us have the same rights as hetero couples, etc. In fact, if you support gay marriage but not polygamous marriage, that IMO is being more of a bigot than my view! :lol:

89th, If I can be blunt. Your views about same-sex marriage are grounded in your religious views about sex. Although 'society' agrees with you, at this point, there are people who believe that civil marriage should be available to homosexuals and heteosexuals. If I recall, 2-1 on this board according to my poll. Of course my poll started a string of threads. I guess it was a slippery slope to ask the question. :crazy:

No, my views about same-sex marriage isn't based on religion. However, my views about same-sex *activities* are based on both religious and non-religious reasoning. There's a big difference.

I'm not sure how this applies to the slippery slope point.

What you do is you take my post.

Apply it to what you wrote here.

Stop wasting my time 89th.
Your smug arrogant attitude is childish and offensive.

Dude, you dont even make sense right now. Stop getting distracted, focus on the topic, and tell me what doesn't make sense in my post. I will be more than happy to clarify.
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"However, my views about same-sex *activities* are based on both religious and non-religious reasoning. There's a big difference.

I'm not sure how this applies to the slippery slope point."

I said this part of your post did not make sense to me.

"...my views about same-sex "activities" are based on both religous and non-religous reasoning.

I have no idea what you mean- not-religous reasoning about same-sex "activities"?

The slippery slope comment was a joke.

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What I believe he means, Daniel, if I may step in here, is:

1. 89th's opposition to same sex marriage as a social/legal convention is based on his conviction that it would have an overall detrimental effect on our society, regardless of religious faith.

2. 89th's belief that homosexual activity is a sin in the eyes of God, and therefore morally wrong, is based on his religion.
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