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What are the benefits to society; of Polygamous Marriage?
Topic Started: Jan 8 2007, 03:07 PM (1,300 Views)
LWpianistin
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Jan 9 2007, 02:08 AM
Well, think about that some more. If it was an arbitrary line then there would be no telling where it should be drawn (or shouldn't).

Right. And right now, it is arbitrary because people have differing views...what is not making sense? How is it NOT arbitrary?
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LW, I don't want us to talk past each other. Basically, you're right. 89th is wrong. I hope this clears things up. :silly:

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Err....but he said it's arbitrary, too.
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You seem to think changing it would be drawing an arbitrary line; it's not an arbitrary line to say that homosexuals and heterosexuals should be treated the same way.

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I think they should be treated the same, but I also think it is an arbitrary line.
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I object to the question in the first place. These slippery slope arguments are an evasion of the issue and a scare tactic.

Sam noted that people aren't making an issue of polygamy and there's a reason for that. It's a non-issue.

If where the line is drawn is arbitrary then it makes no sense where it's drawn. I don't think that's true.


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Go tell people in Utah it's a non-issue. Go tell Warren Jeffs.
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Jan 9 2007, 08:35 AM
I object to the question in the first place. These slippery slope arguments are an evasion of the issue and a scare tactic.

I can't abide slippery slope arguments either. They basically say 'I don't have a valid reason for not liking X other than it might lead to Y which nobody likes.' Well, if nobody likes Y then we don't let anybody do Y, we don't ban X.
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Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 08:35 AM
I object to the question in the first place.  These slippery slope arguments are an evasion of the issue and a scare tactic.

You may view it as such, but the same logic is in place there as it is with homosexual marriage. You see, I have just as much a problem with gay marriage as I do with polygamous marriage and other forms of unions I wont mention. I draw my line where I think its best for society based on the general rationale of both history, tradition, and biology - one man and one woman. However, once you get past that and go into relatively abnormal sexual orientations attractions and various unions, the logic is the same - I cant help who I'm attracted to, it's not hurting anyone, dont treat me as second class, let us have the same rights as hetero couples, etc. In fact, if you support gay marriage but not polygamous marriage, that IMO is being more of a bigot than my view! :lol:
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I must be a bigot too as I am not keen on returning to a semi-nomadic tribal society- as in the Bible- to which the practice of polygamy seems to compliment.
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Exactly! Everyone is a bigot in some regard, including me.
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It's pretty obvious that there's a difference between gay marriage and polygamous marriage. I don't object to polygamy because it's sinful, or against God's will, but because it will inevitably allow exploitation and servitude of human beings which has no place in a modern society.
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No, that's just one form of polygamy.

I believe you are referring to the polygyny type of polygamy.
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Jan 9 2007, 11:03 AM
No, that's just one form of polygamy.

I believe you are referring to the polygyny type of polygamy.

:wacko: Ok...what are the others?

Polygamy is polygamy.
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IIRC, polygamy is having more than one spouse - often but not always the mormon type with one man and many women. Polyandry is having multiple partners, not necessarily married or in a union. Polygyny is multiple wives. Polyamory is multiple husbands. I know... :wacko:
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Wow. I didn't know all the terms. :blink:

Polyamory could also involve slavery. Actually, all three types could.

So, again, polygamy is polygamy.
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Historically men went to battle and didn't come home, leaving a shortage. Polygamy was one way of keeping the population going. WW1 killed a huge swath of young men, and I should imagine this can be seen in the census figures for countries such as the UK.

Just as men find certain women attractive, the same is true of women. I can imagine that more women would rather have Brad Pitt's or Orlando Bloom's child than, say some average Joe walking in the street. Would they care if Orlando Bloom was fathering six other children at the same time? Not quite polygamy, but along the same lines.

Here's a question - are there approximately the same percentage of gay women as gay men in the US?

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Errrmmm....I wouldn't want Pitt or Bloom. I also would care if they had other kids, or were at least sleeping with other women (or men....). Who knows what diseases they could catch! Any women who don't care should be banned from the planet. Or confined.
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I found this...which is not very surprising. From 2000, in the UK

Men

Ever had a sexual experience, not necessarrily including genital contact, with a partner of the same sex - 8.4%

Ever had sex with a same sex partner - 6.3%

Have you had a same sex partner in the last 5 years - 2.6%


Women same questions.

9.7%
5.7%
2.6%


So, we can see that:

1. Men have more gay sex
2. Women have more gay experiences that AREN'T sex
3. The sexes are equal when it comes to gay relationships.



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Yeah - hardly anyone does it.
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Jan 9 2007, 06:33 AM
Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 08:35 AM
I object to the question in the first place.  These slippery slope arguments are an evasion of the issue and a scare tactic.

You may view it as such, but the same logic is in place there as it is with homosexual marriage. You see, I have just as much a problem with gay marriage as I do with polygamous marriage and other forms of unions I wont mention. I draw my line where I think its best for society based on the general rationale of both history, tradition, and biology - one man and one woman. However, once you get past that and go into relatively abnormal sexual orientations attractions and various unions, the logic is the same - I cant help who I'm attracted to, it's not hurting anyone, dont treat me as second class, let us have the same rights as hetero couples, etc. In fact, if you support gay marriage but not polygamous marriage, that IMO is being more of a bigot than my view! :lol:

89th, If I can be blunt. Your views about same-sex marriage are grounded in your religious views about sex. Although 'society' agrees with you, at this point, there are people who believe that civil marriage should be available to homosexuals and heteosexuals. If I recall, 2-1 on this board according to my poll. Of course my poll started a string of threads. I guess it was a slippery slope to ask the question. :crazy:

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Jan 9 2007, 11:35 AM
Yeah - hardly anyone does it.

I'm 100% sure the numbers have gone up since 2000. I just don't know how much.
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Jan 9 2007, 10:35 AM
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Jan 9 2007, 06:33 AM
Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 08:35 AM
I object to the question in the first place.  These slippery slope arguments are an evasion of the issue and a scare tactic.

You may view it as such, but the same logic is in place there as it is with homosexual marriage. You see, I have just as much a problem with gay marriage as I do with polygamous marriage and other forms of unions I wont mention. I draw my line where I think its best for society based on the general rationale of both history, tradition, and biology - one man and one woman. However, once you get past that and go into relatively abnormal sexual orientations attractions and various unions, the logic is the same - I cant help who I'm attracted to, it's not hurting anyone, dont treat me as second class, let us have the same rights as hetero couples, etc. In fact, if you support gay marriage but not polygamous marriage, that IMO is being more of a bigot than my view! :lol:

89th, If I can be blunt. Your views about same-sex marriage are grounded in your religious views about sex. Although 'society' agrees with you, at this point, there are people who believe that civil marriage should be available to homosexuals and heteosexuals. If I recall, 2-1 on this board according to my poll. Of course my poll started a string of threads. I guess it was a slippery slope to ask the question. :crazy:

No, my views about same-sex marriage isn't based on religion. However, my views about same-sex *activities* are based on both religious and non-religious reasoning. There's a big difference.

I'm not sure how this applies to the slippery slope point.
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Jan 9 2007, 11:15 AM
ACK!!!! I've been a polyandrist!.......

HA! You've had more than one husband?!?!

I realized that 89th got his definitions backwards, except for polygyny.
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