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What are the benefits to society; of Polygamous Marriage?
Topic Started: Jan 8 2007, 03:07 PM (1,301 Views)
pianojerome
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LWpianistin
Jan 8 2007, 11:41 PM
It's not the same as legalising gay marriage, though.

Every gay couple has two consenting people.

Polygamist families - well, the women don't all consent. Some do, but not all.

In many cultures, past and present, women didn't (and don't) have much choice in monogomous mariages, either -- nor did (or do), for that matter, many men (arranged marriages).


Polygomy just means more than two people in one marriage.
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LWpianistin
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I know what it means.

Yes, those were ancient marriages.

My point is valid.

Edit: ok. Srranged marriages still exist, but that's not the issue at hand.
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In today's society, women wouldn't be forced into it as they used to be, just as in today's society most men aren't forced into arranged marriages, either.

Times have changed.

The question is about polygomy as polygomy -- with the assumption that in modern times both women and men who choose such a relationship will not be forced into it any more than they would be forced into any other kind of marriage relationship.
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Actually, I'm sure some of them would be, just as some are into arranged marriages today. One of my best friends' parents had an arranged marriage, and it took a lot of persuading (sp???) to not force Nina into one.
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Ok, then, I'll use the argument that many have used for gay marriage: why change something that has worked for generations. (Not a very good argument, I know)
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OK. So *regardless* of the type of relationship (monogomy, polygomy, gay, straight, dating, living together, etc), it is probable that at least *some* people will be forced into it, -- but this is not getting us antsy about banning monogomous marriage or dating, just because some people are forced into these relationships, is it?
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True.

Ok...well, I think polygamy would make men lazy. :P Unless we're talking about one woman and lots of husbands ^_^ Equality, and all. If polygamy were made legal, it would have to work both ways.
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Jan 8 2007, 03:20 PM
I'm curious about negatives, because a lot of people don't seem to want to talk about morals when such morals get in the way of total equality.

Yet, there doesn't seem to be much of a stir to legalize polygamy as a further step in the achievement of total equality.


Sam, I think you're assuming a lot. Read this quote from the opinion of our Supreme Court. It might help you.

[size=7]Two principal cases decided after Bowers cast its holding into even more doubt. In Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), the Court reaffirmed the substantive force of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause. The Casey decision again confirmed that our laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education. Id., at 851. In explaining the respect the Constitution demands for the autonomy of the person in making these choices, we stated as follows:

" These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. Beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under compulsion of the State." Ibid.

Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.[/size]

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Polygamy has absolutely no place in a modern secular society with universal suffrage and an industrial or post industrial economy. It is an anachronistic remnant of a tribal and semi-nomadic society.
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LWpianistin
Jan 8 2007, 10:41 PM
It's not the same as legalising gay marriage, though.

Every gay couple has two consenting people.

Polygamist families - well, the women don't all consent. Some do, but not all.

But if they all do, is the scenario I'm thinking of.
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Jan 9 2007, 01:01 AM
LWpianistin
Jan 8 2007, 10:41 PM
It's not the same as legalising gay marriage, though.

Every gay couple has two consenting people.

Polygamist families - well, the women don't all consent. Some do, but not all.

But if they all do, is the scenario I'm thinking of.

Yeah, we got that cleared up. I guess I just automatically think that polygamy = forced marriage. :shrug: I need to get over that before I can actually think about the thread title. I just can't think why women would do that. Share a husband? Half or less of the work, yes, but it's still weird.
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What if you had 9 males that all consented and wanted to get married to each other...then you have to let them adopt too...etc.

At what point do you say enough is enough?

I know where I draw the line! :D
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LWpianistin
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Me too. My line is gay marriages. No polygamy, no human + animal....just two humans.
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LWpianistin
Jan 9 2007, 12:12 AM
Me too. My line is gay marriages. No polygamy, no human + animal....just two humans.

Man, that's gonna limit the options for some of the lawyers......
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Jan 9 2007, 12:12 AM
Me too. My line is gay marriages. No polygamy, no human + animal....just two humans.

You may want to add "unrelated" and "adult" to the characteristics describing these two humans. ;)
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The opening question is given in light of the same sex marriage debate as follows:

If you allow one immoral thing (homosexuality) what's to stop you from allowing every other immoral thing (eg polygamy).

A hetereosexual person has a legally recognized relationship.
A homosexual person does not have a legally recognized relationship.

What's at issue is the same right, not a different one.

The idea that if you allowed same sex marriage there's nothing to stop you from allowing polygamy assumes the line being proposed is arbitrary. It's not.

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Sure it is. Look at the very lines drawn by LW and I.
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Jan 9 2007, 01:25 AM
LWpianistin
Jan 9 2007, 12:12 AM
Me too. My line is gay marriages. No polygamy, no human + animal....just two humans.

You may want to add "unrelated" and "adult" to the characteristics describing these two humans. ;)

Errr....right. I was actually going to say 'adult' but I figured people would know what I meant. And, of course unrelated.
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i wouldn't mind having extra wives around.. i so need a free worker and and someone to 'sit in' when i want to practice.
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Jan 9 2007, 01:37 AM
Sure it is. Look at the very lines drawn by LW and I.

I'm tired, but I think I understand what you're saying Daniel, and I agree with 89th. :uparrow:
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No, the arbitrary line being drawn is that heterosexual persons can marry and homosexual persons cannot.

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Daniel
Jan 9 2007, 01:49 AM
No, the arbitrary line being drawn is that heterosexuals persons can marry and homosexual persons cannot.

That is 89ths line. Mine is different, so isn't any law concerning changning the definition of marriage arbitrary? Right now, at least?
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I know this is not what many on this board want to hear but the line as drawn is arbitrary. Changing it will not be changing it for an arbitrary reason but because the way it is now is a violation of a constitutional law- eg equal protection. Of course I'm talking about the US- that's all I'm familiar with.

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Er...ok, but I still agree with what I quoted from 89th...it is arbirtrary, because many people have differing views, and there are no legal facts about it all....I don't know if that makes sense.

Man, I'm soooo tired. I think I'll come back to this thread in the morning. It makes my brain hurt.
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Well, think about that some more. If it was an arbitrary line then there would be no telling where it should be drawn (or shouldn't).

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