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| The Bookies Say Romney in '08 | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 6 2007, 09:26 AM (476 Views) | |
| George K | Jan 6 2007, 09:26 AM Post #1 |
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Just let it ride on Romney Thanks to liberal gambling laws and the Internet, London has turned itself into the world capital of wagering. And already the bookies here are taking bets from around the world on the ’08 race. They’re offering good odds to anyone willing to put a few bucks down on our next president being a Republican, and even better if you wager the nominee will be Mitt Romney. It’s so easy for those of us in Massachusetts to shrug off Romney. But have you seen what they call a statesman elsewhere in the country? Look at the incumbent. Among Romney’s rivals, Rudy Giuliani shouldn’t worry him. Giuliani’s a 15 percent shot for the nomination, according to the current betting. But just fast forward to his first meeting with die-hard conservatives in South Carolina’s “Nuremberg” primary. He’s pro-choice and pro gay rights. And . . . Question from the floor: “Mr. Giuliani, is it true that after your second wife kicked you out for committing adultery you moved in with a gay couple?” Next! Sen. John McCain, of course, is Romney’s biggest threat. How big? The bookies give him a 45 percent chance for the nomination. Never mind that the GOP die-hards, for reasons I have never fathomed, don’t really trust him. McCain’s biggest problem may simply be his age. He’ll be 72 by the next inauguration. And - for deeply honorable reasons - he has not had a physically easy life. As one GOP strategist told me, “Republicans want to get two terms from their presidents.” Will McCain be likely to stay in the White House till he’s 80? As to the Democrats? Memo to Democrats: Yes, I know the party just swept both houses, but you’re in bad shape for 2008. You just don’t have anyone who looks competitive. Hillary? Bookies give her a crazy 47 percent chance of winning the nomination, and a 38 percent chance of winning the whole shebang. Please. Name me a red state she will turn blue. Just one. John Edwards (a 14 percent shot at the nomination)? Two years ago he was half of the worst presidential campaign in history. The weaker half. Barack Obama may sound good, but he’s just a first term senator and his odds right now are about where Edwards’ are. And then there’s the rest. Quick - how many can you name? The curious withdrawal from the race of former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner has left a field with little electoral appeal. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (4 percent chance of winning the nomination) is said to be the strongest. The problem: He’s had a total charisma bypass. |
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| Daniel\ | Jan 6 2007, 11:26 AM Post #2 |
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I have to say I think it's presuming a lot that America wants Romney in '08. Americans barely know who he is. The recent election did not show that we are in the mood for socially divisive politics. The day that London bookies know best about who America wants its next president to be is a sad one. I didn't like the snarky, dismissive tone of the article. It sounded to me like "sure it will be Romney because it's ridiculous to think America will vote for any of the pathetic choices the Democrats have in '08." Nothing personal George but I thought that article sucked. |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 11:38 AM Post #3 |
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Nothing personal taken, at all, Daniel. I just posted it as an indicator of what's going on. I have no stock in Romney, for, like most, I know little about him or his politics. I wonder if these bookies were doing their jobs back in 1991, and if they saw the coming of Clinton. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Daniel\ | Jan 6 2007, 11:48 AM Post #4 |
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Thank you for posting it. It's interesting to consider what people are saying. Personally I know all I need to know about Romney. I just wish Republicans would nominate someone moderate like the late President Ford. Enough with the socially divisive crap is how I feel. |
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| Steve Cohen | Jan 6 2007, 12:04 PM Post #5 |
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I'm still with McCain. And, as I get older, I beginning to consider 80 as "middle-aged". ![]() [Funny how the definition of "old" changes over the years!] |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 6 2007, 12:18 PM Post #6 |
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America is not ready for a Mormon president. |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 01:11 PM Post #7 |
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Jon, thought I agree with you that Romney's religion will become a factor, I find it fascinating how Harry Reid's religion is never mentioned. More than once I've read about "The Mormon Governor of Massachussetts." Not once have I read about the "Mormon Senate Majority Leader." McCain? Too old. Too sick. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 6 2007, 01:16 PM Post #8 |
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I think if Harry Reid ran for president, it would also be a factor. Having said that, I agree it gets far less press than Mitt. |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 01:24 PM Post #9 |
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Agreed, Jon. What is it about Mormonism that people find so devisive? (I know, the doorbell ringing...) |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 6 2007, 01:44 PM Post #10 |
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It hasn't been around long enough. Which puts it too far to the left on the Cult vs. Respected Religion continuum. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 6 2007, 02:47 PM Post #11 |
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I thought one of the other docs had disabused you of that notion, George. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 02:56 PM Post #12 |
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Nope. If he has a recurrance of the tumor in his cheek, he's a goner. Edit: Management of recurrent cutaneous melanoma. Yeung RS. Department of Surgical Oncology, Fox Chase Cancer Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Recurrent melanoma occurs in approximately one third of patients treated for cutaneous melanoma. Although the majority of recurrence occurs within the first few years of primary therapy, a significant number remains at risk beyond 10 years. With rising incidence of recurrent melanoma in Western countries, physicians will undoubtedly face the challenge of managing these patients with the limited therapeutic options currently available. Once melanoma has recurred, the overall prognosis is poor. and: http://www.bcm.edu/oto/grand/3493.html Level I: atypical melanocytic hyperplasia Level II: invades papillary dermis Level III: invades papillary - reticular dermis interface Level IV: invades reticular dermis Level V: invades subcutaneous tissue ... Survival statistics for cutaneous melanoma vary directly with stage. Five-year survival of stage I disease is 79%; for stage II, 68%; for stage III, 28%; and for stage IV, 15%. =-=-=-=-=-=-= McCain's is not only deep, but recurrent. I stand by what I wrote. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 6 2007, 03:02 PM Post #13 |
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Two words - Donny Osmond. Plus, any cult that chooses a name so close to 'moron' is really begging for it, in my humble opinion. |
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| Jack Frost | Jan 6 2007, 03:20 PM Post #14 |
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![]() No doubt a one-sided perspective, but after reading this book I would have a hard time voting for anyone who was a serious Mormon. jf |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 6 2007, 03:22 PM Post #15 |
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If I recall correctly, what you said was that he was experiencing facial paralysis, and that he'd be dead in a year or two. And that there was no way he could even run. And was it bach who told you that you were totally wrong? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 03:24 PM Post #16 |
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Having read that book, Jack (and I have not), do you think that Romney's religion would have a serious influence on his ability to govern (should he be elected), and do you think that it has affected his governorship of Massachussetts? After all, and I'm ignorant on the contents of the book, what you're saying sounds suspiciously like what we heard in 1960 about the White House having to answer to the Pope. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 03:27 PM Post #17 |
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You recall incorrectly. I said that the tumor was affecting his ability to open his mouth wide. I never used the word paralysis (that implies nervous involvement). I also never said he'd be dead in a year. I said I'd be surprised if he survives the decade - which still has 3 years to go. PM bach and ask him what he thinks. He knows more about these cancers than I do. Edit to add: Check out what I said here. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mark | Jan 6 2007, 03:44 PM Post #18 |
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Um, it's a religion? Religion is divisive. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 6 2007, 03:55 PM Post #19 |
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You've managed to misstate what I said despite quoting it. Here, let me help:
While what I said was that you said:
But what's a year among friends? You also most certainly implied some degree of nerve damage ... you said, if I am recalling correctly, that he would soon be unable to speak properly. Perhaps you meant that the speech impediment would be solely mechanical, but I don't think it came across that way to a layman. And do you deny that you said that he'd be unable to run for medical reasons? Because that I recall quite clearly. And I recall you saying it here, not at WTF. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 04:12 PM Post #20 |
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Oh, Lord. Fine, have it your way. Year or two (that was last year that I said it wasn't it?) But, after all, what's a year among friends. As to his inablity to open his mouth, once again, I never said neurological. That's 'speculatin' on your part. If I was unclear, I apologize. I would have been happy to clear that up for you. Also, what I said elsewhere is what I said here. The reason I went to WTF is because the search engine works there. I would have no reason to say one thing there and another here. I never said that he's be unable to run. I said that he'd be probably be unable finish a term if he was elected, and he knows it. If you want to call me a liar on that, that's fine. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| OperaTenor | Jan 6 2007, 04:15 PM Post #21 |
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![]() This is another good insight on the LDS church. They're a bit looney. I must confess, I didn't know Harry Reid was Mormon. That really cuts my estimation of him appreciably, not that I was ever in love with the guy in the first place. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 6 2007, 04:28 PM Post #22 |
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Well, clearly, your recollections and mine differ. I recall you saying that he wouldn't be able to move one side of his face normally, or speak normally, within a year or two, and as a result that he'd be unable to run for President. I also recall Bach (or someone, but I think it was Bach) correcting you. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Jan 6 2007, 04:33 PM Post #23 |
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He can't do it now. Take it from someone who looks at how people open their mouths every day. That's me. I do that for a living.
His inability to open his mouth wide will progress to the point where eating will become impossible. There are other ways of feeding people, but they do tend to interfere with one's lifestyle. As I said, ask bach. He knows more about prognosis, etc. than I do. However, I remain pessimistic. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 6 2007, 04:53 PM Post #24 |
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I wonder whether pondering who McCain may choose as a running mate may be more important than normal? |
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| Steve Cohen | Jan 6 2007, 05:00 PM Post #25 |
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George, this is eye-opening for me. I am reconsidering my thinking..... |
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