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Rent to illegals!; ...or be sued by the ACLU
Topic Started: Dec 26 2006, 10:41 AM (565 Views)
Steve Miller
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Larry
Dec 26 2006, 04:15 PM
We should invade Mexico, overthrow the government, and make it the newest state. Then people can come and go as they please.

Somewhere there is a thread discussing a highway that is said to be leading to eactly what you propose. I'd look it up, but I need to get out of here.

It does not sound like a very good idea to me.
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kenny
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Dec 26 2006, 01:28 PM
I don't think a national ID card is synonymous with becoming just like Mexico, Kenny.

I was just being silly.

I didn't say anything about a National ID card.
edit, I was responding to Steve's post just before yours - I should have quoted him.
I didn't see your post. :redface:
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Larry
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Why not? Mexico is the 4th richest country in the world. It's the people who are suffering. Take it over, seize the oil wells, and let free enterprise go to work.
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Nowhere does it state that I am required to provide medical insurance.


In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, you must.

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It's not my job to keep my sidewalk clear of snow ... except that it is.
It is? I didn't know that - not that I would have any reason to know it.


Indeed it is. And if someone slips and falls because you didn't, you are liable. In most places (maybe all).

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Not sure on the medical leave thing - they could certainly take it if they wanted to, but I don't believe I am obligated to pay them during that time or to hire them back unless I have work for them to do.


Depends on the size of the employer, and you are not obligated to pay them, but you are indeed obligated to take them back. In point of fact, you aren't hiring them back, because you cannot fire them for taking family or medical leave. Family and Medical Leave Act, FMLA. There is an analogous California law. There are of course exceptions.

I could give you plenty of other examples, too, starting with unemployment insurance, which you must pay. Social security taxes, which you must pay. Etc.
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kenny
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Larry
Dec 26 2006, 03:15 PM
We should invade Mexico, overthrow the government, and make it the newest state. Then people can come and go as they please.

America would never take over a country.

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Hey, I'll have the truck loaded and be moving to the southern tip of Baja faster than you can say "invade and takeover". Mexico is a fantastic country - too bad it is so screwed up politically.

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Steve Miller
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Dec 26 2006, 04:22 PM
Mexico is the 4th richest country in the world.

By what measure? Not GDP per capita - this list put them at 85th:

http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php
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Dec 26 2006, 04:34 PM
I could give you plenty of other examples, too, starting with unemployment insurance, which you must pay. Social security taxes, which you must pay. Etc.

Fair enough, but the difference is that when I pay those taxes I am actually accomplishing something. Theose programs may not be very efficient, but they do accomplish at least part of their original intent.

Checking through bogus paperwork doesn't accomplish squat.
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Larry
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Steve Miller
Dec 26 2006, 10:12 PM
Larry
Dec 26 2006, 04:22 PM
Mexico is the 4th richest country in the world.

By what measure? Not GDP per capita - this list put them at 85th:

http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php

In terms of natural resources.
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kenny
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Have countries ever just merged for mutual benefit?

Or is such a thing unheard of?
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Steve Miller
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Dec 26 2006, 10:09 PM
In terms of natural resources.

I can't see where you get that figure, but let it stand for the moment.

Are you proposing that Mexico has enough natural resources that merging with Mexico would result in a net benefit to the US? Even with all of the problems that would go along with such a merger?
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Steve Miller
Dec 26 2006, 10:17 PM
QuirtEvans
Dec 26 2006, 04:34 PM
I could give you plenty of other examples, too, starting with unemployment insurance, which you must pay.  Social security taxes, which you must pay.  Etc.

Fair enough, but the difference is that when I pay those taxes I am actually accomplishing something. Theose programs may not be very efficient, but they do accomplish at least part of their original intent.

Checking through bogus paperwork doesn't accomplish squat.

I see. So your objection has morphed. You no longer object to doing the government's job for it, since there are plenty of other instances in which you do so. Now, your objection is that the way the government is asking you to do its job is ineffective and thus a waste of time.

If it's any comfort, it's no different than how the government handles employment of illegal aliens. Renting apartments is a drop in the bucket next to that ... since a legal alien or a citizen could rent your apartment and then hand the key to someone else.

It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Dec 27 2006, 06:30 AM
If it's any comfort, it's no different than how the government handles employment of illegal aliens. Renting apartments is a drop in the bucket next to that ... since a legal alien or a citizen could rent your apartment and then hand the key to someone else.

Dunno about that. There are instances where apartment buildings have been seized under RICO statutes when drug dealing has been suspected. Sometimes the owner gets them back, sometimes not.

I can see the same thing happening with the "illegal alien" thing. They're already deporting illegals for "identity theft" rather than passing legislation to fix the problem in any sort of real way.
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At the end of the day, it is beyond the pale of silliness to not deal with the illegal immigration problem.

I've grown quite weary of the ACLU trying to protect rights that don't exist.

Loser pays, baby...and I think we should marshall the wealth and expertise of the Justice Department to fight all ACLU cases against government entities (after a case by case review, where it is deemed the government's position has merit).

The ACLU as conceived is not a bad thing. It has simply morphed into one.
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QuirtEvans
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Once again, Jolly, you're railing at a bogeyman that may or may not exist.

The article suggests that part of the problem is that the law restricts renting to LEGAL aliens ... which would, of course, be unconstitutional.

So, unless you know more about the basis of the lawsuit than the single article, you're making unwarranted assumptions about what's being argued.

After all, the ACLU doesn't challenge the right of the government to stop illegal aliens from WORKING. So I'm not sure whether they are objecting to the notion of illegal aliens renting. Maybe it's just about legal aliens.

Or maybe you're right, but we don't have enough facts to know yet.
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Dunno about that. There are instances where apartment buildings have been seized under RICO statutes when drug dealing has been suspected. Sometimes the owner gets them back, sometimes not.


That would depend on whether the owner violated RICO or not. It wouldn't be lawful to take away an innocent person's property because someone else committed a crime there that the owner couldn't reasonably have known about.

Of course, if the owner was an ostrich about it, that's another story.
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Dec 27 2006, 08:02 AM
Of course, if the owner was an ostrich about it, that's another story.

If given the chance and a whole lot of money, do you think you could prove a case where the owner should have known the documents were bogus?
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Dec 27 2006, 10:25 AM
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Dec 27 2006, 08:02 AM
Of course, if the owner was an ostrich about it, that's another story.

If given the chance and a whole lot of money, do you think you could prove a case where the owner should have known the documents were bogus?

Yes.

It's been done in the employment context.

To do it, I think you'd need one of two things: either poor forgeries, so any dumb schlub should know they weren't real, or other evidence that he knew he was hiring illegals (like, testimony from a co-worker who says he told the boss, I have a friend who will work hard for cheap, but he's illegal ... but he can give you documentation).
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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