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| Is Bush is now privately sorry he went ino Iraq? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 19 2006, 05:44 PM (240 Views) | |
| kenny | Dec 19 2006, 05:44 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Do you think Bush is now privately sorry he went into Iraq? Emphasis on the word, private. |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 19 2006, 05:54 PM Post #2 |
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I think it's clear now that going into Iraq was a mistake. We didn't have enough troops, the world had bad intelligence about the WMDs, we didn't plan on the insurgency being so strong after we liberated the country, and most importantly, and it the American people didn't (rather, doesn't) have the resolve for such an operation. So yes, I think he regrets going into Iraq. As noble a mission as it was. I think we are winning, and we will win...just dont know how long it might take, but it's certainly worth fighting it out from here. |
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| Dewey | Dec 19 2006, 06:40 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm not so sure it's quite that clear cut. If we want the ability to have 20/20 hindsight, we have to assume responsibility for that perfect vision all the way around. In other words, you can't just say, "If we knew then what we know now about WMD's, we shouldn't/wouldn't have gone to war." You would also have to try to divine whether, if we hadn't gone to war, and if that hadn't focused the terrorists' attention on Iraq, would we have suffered other disasters similar to or worse than 9/11 here in the States? What would the death toll of civilians have been, versus the current death toll within the ranks of the military, who are better equipped to fight these battles? Did fighting the war cause a diversion of terrorist attention and capabilities to the point where it's saved a city from a dirty bomb attack, or a major subway poisoning? Dropping the Golden Gate Bridge into the bay? Playing that game only opens up too many what-ifs that can't ever really be answered, and would have to be in order for the game to be an even remotely meaningful or worthwile effort. The only way that history can judge the correctness of a decision - and the only way an individual can assess whether he made the right call - is based on the information and actual circumstances at the time the decision had to be made. Anything else is worthless chatter. I think that GWB realizes that - at least I hope he does - and for that reason, I don't think he is sorry for the decision. |
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| JBryan | Dec 19 2006, 06:51 PM Post #4 |
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I am the grey one
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There was no mistake. We could not afford the luxury of sitting back and doing nothing as Saddam Hussein developed the capability to produce WMD, especially nukes. He certainly had the ambition and millions from oil profits with which to pursue this goal. Our best intelligence indicated that he not only was working on them but had them. We had to make sure. We did. Not only that, we have established a forward base at the doorstep of our enemies. I am astonished when I see people flyspeck whether there were any "stockpiles" of WMD, whether Saddam was involved with 9/11, or whether he was involved with Al Qaeda (he was). It strikes me as terribly myopic and getting so focused on these irrelevancies as to lose sight of the big picture. Are we safer without Saddam in power? Hell yes. Have we struck a major blow against our enemies? Same answer. If Iran and Syria were not worried about what we are doing in Iraq they would not be working so feverishly to undo it. |
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| CTPianotech | Dec 19 2006, 07:02 PM Post #5 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I would expect that he's privately sorry he didn't order that the war be fought from the beginning, in a way that would have resulted in a quicker resolution. |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 19 2006, 07:03 PM Post #6 |
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Good posts. Perhaps I can clarify/adjust a bit and say that it will have been a mistake if we leave before the job is done. I would take a Saddam-controlled Iraq than a split, Iran/Syria-controlled Iraq any day. |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 19 2006, 07:11 PM Post #7 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I think he is privately sorry - and surprised - that America did not rise and dedicate to the task at hand, instead preferring to nitpick our own efforts for domestic political gain. I suspect he is very disappointed that the domestic media subverted his efforts at every turn. There is a lot to be sorry for here. None of it is in the WHite House. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Nobody's Sock | Dec 19 2006, 07:14 PM Post #8 |
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Fulla-Carp
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This is political right? I'm staying out then. No really, I still believe that what decisions have been made by this Administration are not from the heart of what Bush believes necessarily. I believe most policy still came from the likes of Dick, Don, Wolfie, and Bush Sr. Bush Sr. , I believe, has really conned America ino thinking he's retired and out of the loop. But I don't believe that for a minute. Most of Dubya's staff are fromer Bushseniorites. Once one holds the reins of power, I believe they are very reluctant to give up a chance to hold those reins again when opportunity arises. It's a human frailty that has usually wreaked more havoc than good through the ages. |
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| apple | Dec 19 2006, 07:18 PM Post #9 |
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one of the angels
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i agree 400% |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 19 2006, 07:20 PM Post #10 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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And you base this on what? A hunch? I'm not disputing your position, NS, just asking what makes you think this? |
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| Nobody's Sock | Dec 19 2006, 07:38 PM Post #11 |
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Fulla-Carp
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For sure Mik, I have documented proof! Remember, I traveled to DC 3 weeks ago on a cover mission working for the Small Business Administration during the day, but at night I put on my ninja costume and did a MI Tom Cruise through White House security where I stealthily made my way to the West Wing itself and slowly opened the door to the "secret" entrance to the Oval Office, and low and behold, to my great surprise, sat the King himself, George H. Bush, not sitting in the nice leather chair tucked into the President's desk, but off to the side a bit, sitting on a real got-dammed throne enlaced with silver and gold. (Sill verand gold, sill verand gold, Burl Ives, rudolphtrnrd). He was napping when I crept in but he was adorned in a glorious purple robe with a crown that made you squint. For all my great agility getting to this apex of my mission, I relaxed for a second and accidently let one serious fart go! I thought I'd blown my cover for sure as Sr. harumphed and mumbled something that sounded like "goshdarnitbarb" . But he never opened his eyes and awoke so I stole away as fast as I could after snapping a whole memory card of pictures. It then became obvious to me that Jr. might be the guy we all see everyday doing this and that, but it was Daddy, it was the patriarch who still held the reins of power. I intended to release these pictures to the press but the danged TSA security dropped my camera as they were inspecting it, and damaged it, as well as the memory card, beyond repair. Such is life, post 9/11. No but really Mik, it's a hunch. Ya gotta admit, it's got some good meat on the bone to it though don't it?
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 19 2006, 07:43 PM Post #12 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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It was the first time I had heard that particular scenario. All I wanted to know was the next to last sentence, but if you want to work that hard, have at it!
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| George K | Dec 19 2006, 07:46 PM Post #13 |
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Finally
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Funniest thing I've read today. Thanks, NS. |
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