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Racism, and a green eye?
Topic Started: Dec 19 2006, 05:51 AM (426 Views)
The 89th Key
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I dont think it is right, but I think it should be allowed. Yes.

PS. Please see the new thread I just started: http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_New_Coffee...showtopic=18467
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Mikhailoh
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John D'Oh
Dec 19 2006, 01:56 PM
The 89th Key
Dec 19 2006, 12:47 PM
By the way, you'll notice I only mention "state-sponsored" or "government-related", etc...because personally I think if a private business wants to discriminate, then they have the right to. But that's another story.

So you think racism is acceptable as long as it isn't state-sponsored?

I think it is inevitable. Human nature. It may not always take the form of racism.. it could be, and is, religion, class conflict, culture conflict, sexism.

We're social creatures, and for hundreds of millenium our societies were made up of those like ourselves. Global travel and communication has gradually changed that over the past few thousand years, and increasingly so over the last 600. What makes anyone think this will go away in a couple generations? It won't. I think it will improve, and it may take some other forms, but groupism is not going away anytime soon.

Wait until you try to convince the Chinese that their ancient civilization is not superior to our fledgling country, and the Japanese that they aren't better than EVERYONE! Hell, they're prejudiced against Koreans.
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Inevitable and acceptable are not the same thing.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Daniel\
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Dec 19 2006, 08:20 AM
Daniel, getting into college, getting a job, and getting contracts as a business owner...simply because I'm a white male, I'm more discriminated against than anyone.

Wait a minute. I'm not in this thread.

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Mikhailoh
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:lol: Poor Daniel.. you have a history of others' posts being attributed to you. I wonder why THAT is.?!?
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Jolly
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Dec 19 2006, 10:11 AM
I merely want people to get as close to equal opportunity for colleges or employment as possible. For example, I would never want an under qualified individual to win out over a more qualified one just based on race - but there is a Grey area. I want close to equal opportunity, but I know that full equality is not possible. If they are close in skill, things such as race, economic class, and the like can and should be used to see who needs it more. That's not a bad idea is it? If both are qualified, something has to be done to separate them.

It seems like a broken record to say that minorities were greatly underprivileged for most of the 19th and 20th century - but it is an important point. Families never got the chance to establish themselves, and social and economic mobility was severely limited. Add to that continuing racism after the laws have allowed more equality, and the playing field still is not even.

It'd be easy to just say that everyone is on their own, the process of jobs and school will be completely objective - no help. The issue here is that realistically, certain people have a tremendous advantage - and it just works out that this correlates to race. There are poor white people too, of course - but when talking in percentages and ratios, minorities are by far underprivileged.

So in conclusion - a fair system would not only take race into account, but also economic situation. This is harder to apply and prove, so that is why race generally is the biggest factor - but a more intelligent system has to be put in place. At least like this, people won't fall through the cracks while bigger issues are being addressed. This is idealistic, as you can never save everyone - it is likely a case of triage - minorities are commonly poorer, so they are taken care of first in a more general way. Not fair all of the time, but the system needs improvement.

If you want people to have true equal opportunity, trash-can your preconcieved notions of what constitutes "fairness".

Life ain't fair, dude.

What you do is try to institute a true meritocracy, and let the hair go with the hide.
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Mikhailoh
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That is as close to equality as you will ever get.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Hell, it's just nice to hear Crash talk about something else other than lesbians.

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Jolly
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Dec 19 2006, 12:45 PM
Hell, it's just nice to hear Crash talk about something else other than lesbians.

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My what big....uh, well, er...ears you have, my dear. :devilgrin:
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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HOLY CARP!!!
Jolly
Dec 19 2006, 06:51 PM
***musical princess***
Dec 19 2006, 12:45 PM
Hell, it's just nice to hear Crash talk about something else other than lesbians.

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My what big....uh, well, er...ears you have, my dear. :devilgrin:

I was so confused by that and then i suddenly just got it. :sombrero: ^_^

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