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17 year old Georgia boy gets 10 years; for consensual oral sex with 15yr old
Topic Started: Dec 19 2006, 03:15 AM (1,153 Views)
Mikhailoh
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And the other girl, who woke up not knowing what was going and called her mother?

I don't think it is at all ludicrous that this went to trial. The inflexibility of the law in question is the problem.

Let me ask the question..do we think, as a group, that six 17 years olds arranging to gangbang two 15 year olds is cool and none of our business, just kids having fun? Come on.
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Of course not. But the kid in question - the one facing 10 years and a sex offender verdict - got a consentual blowjob from one of the girls. He, at least according to the article, didn't have sex with the other girl. And while the idea of videotaping it is awful, the tape shows that is the case. The girl who did perform oral sex on it did it willingly - and she said so.
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While the story hasn’t been as high-profile in broadcast and print media as Dixon’s, it has created a stir in some Internet chat rooms, with people across the country and as far away as Canada and the United Kingdom sharing their perspectives.


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dolmansaxlil
Dec 19 2006, 10:21 PM
Of course not.  But the kid in question - the one facing 10 years and a sex offender verdict - got a consentual blowjob from one of the girls. He, at least according to the article, didn't have sex with the other girl.  And while the idea of videotaping it is awful, the tape shows that is the case.  The girl who did perform oral sex on it did it willingly - and she said so.

according to this article, he did have intercourse with the other girl (it's on the video) and authorities believed her claim that she was too loaded to give consent to any of the men there.

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Then charge him for that.
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Mikhailoh
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They did.. the jury acquitted on the rape charge but found him guilty on the other.

This kid rolled the dice and lost. I think the sentence was overly harsh, but that is why he has a lawyer... to advise him on these things.

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The point is that he is going to jail for 10 years because as a 17 year old he had consensual sex with a 15 year old.

I do not care that a bunch of kids were having a sex party. That's what they were doing. Putting one of them away for 10 years in insane.

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Then you are, my friend, sticking your head quite firmly into the sand. This is not behavior we want our teens engaging in.. 6 on 2 gangbangs with drugs, alcohol and videotape involved. It is not just consensual sex.

The 15 year old they raped is the real victim here.. not these boys. Had this not come to light the videotapes could well have made their way to the internet and ruined her life.

The parents of all of them should be in court on charges as well.
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Mikhailoh
Dec 20 2006, 11:41 AM
Then you are, my friend, sticking your head quite firmly into the sand. This is not behavior we want our teens engaging in.. 6 on 2 gangbangs with drugs, alcohol and videotape involved. It is not just consensual sex.

The 15 year old they raped is the real victim here.. not these boys. Had this not come to light the videotapes could well have made their way to the internet and ruined her life.

The parents of all of them should be in court on charges as well.

I don't think that's very fair. More often than not, loving and caring parents don't know about this sort of behaviour.

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Mikhailoh
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Regardless, MP, over here parents are repsonsible for the acts of their teens. It may be enforced less than it should be, but it is true.

I'm not saying they should be sent to jail, but there was a serious lapse here in parents knowing what their kids were doing. I have no problem with them being called to answer for it as opposed to expressing outrage that their little darlings were held accountable for gangrape.
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I don't think it's very fair either, but for a different reason. I think one should make a definite distinction between passing moral judgment on behavior we don't approve of and sending a 17 year old to jail for 10 years for having consensual sex with a 15 year old.

Mik, he's 17, he is a kid who had sex with another kid. My friend, you are sticking your head in the sand by rationalizing sending him to jail for 10 years because you do not approve of his behavior.

It is really very simple. Do you agree with sending a 17 year old to jail for 10 years for having consensual sex with a 15 year old. I don't.

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Dec 19 2006, 07:34 PM
Then charge him for that.

AND convict him of it too.



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Dec 20 2006, 07:56 AM
I don't think it's very fair either, but for a different reason. I think one should make a definite distinction between passing moral judgment on behavior we don't approve of and sending a 17 year old to jail for 10 years for having consensual sex with a 15 year old.

Mik, he's 17, he is a kid who had sex with another kid. My friend, you are sticking your head in the sand by rationalizing sending him to jail for 10 years because you do not approve of his behavior.

It is really very simple. Do you agree with sending a 17 year old to jail for 10 years for having consensual sex with a 15 year old. I don't.

I have said all along the sentence is probably too harsh and will be looked at. I doubt that it will stand. But this is not a case of two innocent kids caught in a car and the boy prosecuted by an irate father. It is not a matter just of morals but of law. This is a case of well planned gangrape by six near adults with prior criminal records, one with sexual offenses since tghis time. Given his choice of companions, this boy's clean record is just a case of having not been caught.

The emphasis in your posts, Daniel is all about the poor little dear boy who now languishes in jail. He and his parents and attorneys played a big old hand in where he is today. They did not think any jury would convict, and they were wrong. They knew the possible consequences and went ahead anyway with the jury trial.

The fact that the jury comes back later and says 'Oh, if we had known we never would have convicted' simply means you had jurors who were willing to step outside the bounds of their duties and usurp the judge's authority in sentencing. Fortunately that did not happen. They decided the case on its merits and convicted on the molestation charge. Too bad for the kid, but that's how it works.

Try as you may you cannot possibly take this situation out of context and rightly equate what happened here to youthful sexual experimentation. This boy is responsible for where he is today. Jail time for all six of them is totally appropriate.
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And Daniel, for one so sensitive about having words put into his mouth, you surely jump to it quickly enough despite all evidence to the contrary.

I have never supported or rationalized the mandatory ten year sentence on this charge. In every post I have stood against it, which you see fit to ignore to try to make your case.

But all you want to look at is 'consensual sex' and what a victim this poor kid is, and that is an incredibly myopic view of the situation.
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I am not sure why I should care exactly, but I am shocked by your comments.

You have no right to "convict" him of something for which he was acquitted.

If I might say so, your posts seem to emphasize poor little innocent girls who had no idea they were drinking or having sex or there would be boys there. Lions, and tigers, and bears. Oh my.

He was convicted for what he was convicted for AND he was sentenced to what he was sentenced to.

It is an outrage that a seventeen year old is going to jail for ten years for having consensual sex with a fifteen year old.

I will call this an injustice, unreservedly. It is not "probably too harsh". It is ten years for a child having consensual sex when adults get seven for murder. Your list of his alleged (and acquitted) crimes seems no different to me than the "get him", "**** him" mentality of the prosecution. He's going away for ten years, not a perfect sentence but oh well, the little criminal got what he deserved. It's the law.

If you think he should have been sentenced to what he was sentenced to for doing what he was convicted of doing- that's one thing, but wait...this just in...developing...

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Dec 20 2006, 05:23 AM
And Daniel, for one so sensitive about having words put into his mouth, you surely jump to it quickly enough despite all evidence to the contrary.

I have never supported or rationalized the mandatory ten year sentence on this charge. In every post I have stood against it, which you see fit to ignore to try to make your case. 

But all you want to look at is 'consensual sex' and what a victim this poor kid is, and that is an incredibly myopic view of the situation.

The reason I am looking at the consensual sex issue is because this is what he got the ten years for.

Maybe stop explaining how you do not agree with the sentence if you agree with what happened. What evidence is there that it will be reduced? None.

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Daniel, take off your outrage colored glasses and read what I wrote. What is fortunate is that the jury did not overstep their bounds. They decided the cases on the merits of the evidence. Sentencing is up to the law and the judge.


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No, we wouldn't want the jury to know what the sentence would be.

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That is correct. Jurors are there to decide the facts of the case, not whether they think the sentence is fair.

And there is evidence that he might do well on appeal, based on the Marcus Dixon case.

"Jurors acquitted Dixon of rape, aggravated assault, false imprisonment and sexual battery, but he was sentenced to 10 years for aggravated child molestation. His lawyers appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court, which overturned the aggravated child molestation charge and charged him only with statutory rape, a misdemeanor, reducing his sentence to the 15 months served. The court did not overturn the controversial state law, but did make a commentary for clarification, noting that in the court’s opinion, the intent of the Georgia General Assembly in drafting the law was to punish Dixon’s conduct as misdemeanor statutory rape rather than felony aggravated child molestation. The court also indicated that “Georgia’s statutory rape and child molestation statutes must be considered together to determine legislative intent.” "
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Our system does work. It's not perfect but it works.

The 10 year sentence and all the other charges brought up on this poor lad are examples of people who simply do not think correctly, working in positions of power.

There are a lot of them too.

They need to be brutally re-educated.
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Mark, how do you draw the conclusion that the people in power were not thinking correctly? There was evidence of a crime and the prosecutor brought the charges. That's his job. If he did not he would be shirking his duties.
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Mik, do you honestly think this is a justified punishment?

For goodness sake, think back to when you were 17 and how immature and wild you probably were. They are both practically children who clearly have not been educated about sex very well or taught to respect their bodies more.

You think that justifies TEN YEARS in prision? He'll be nearly 30 when he gets out. Ten years Mik, that is a HELL of a long time.

I agree that he should be punished but NOT with 10 years in prison.

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Because I distrust people who are in positions of power.

It's part of my American Heritage.

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Mark, I agree with you. When people in authority can make no rational sense of the difference between 17 and 15 in an act of consensual sex, there is something very brain dead going on. When on top of this they insist on 10 years in jail, it rises to the level of monstrous.

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Fair enough.

MP, I have repeatedly said I thought the sentence too long. But in this case, he was convicted and the sentence was mandatory. He rolled the dice and lost, but it will probably be reduced on appeal.

And I was very wild at 17.. but we did not set up gangrapes.
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