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White Trash Christmas; Why is this considered funny?
Topic Started: Dec 18 2006, 03:06 PM (685 Views)
OperaTenor
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Dec 18 2006, 08:07 PM
I only watched the first 30 seconds and didn't find it funny either.

I guess some people at WTF would disagree...

Is yet another potshot at WTF really necessary?

It so happens there's a bit of a debate going on over there about it to.

Good grief.



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Mikhailoh
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Daniel, I am not accusing you of anything. I know you to be very fair minded. Sorry if it seemed that way, but to label someone white trash is just as racist as the guy who says 'there's black people and then there's niggers'. Same thing.
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Ok Mik, but please correct me if I am wrong: the people who say "there are black people and then there's niggers" are white people.

In my view (and I would not have posted this and I don't like it at all) calling people white trash is what white people do to make fun of whom they believe to be socially inferior white people.

Now, you can call this racist is you want, but I don't think it fits the the defintion, which is attributing inferiority to all members of a race , and I'm just trying to portray to you why it is not generally considered to be racist.

I think we can agree it is not funny and frankly I share your feeling of not knowing why anyone would think it was.

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Dec 19 2006, 08:13 AM
Ok Mik, but please correct me if I am wrong: the people who say "there are black people and then there's niggers" are white people.

In my view (and I would not have posted this and I don't like it at all) calling people white trash is what white people do to make fun of whom they believe to be socially inferior white people.

Now, you can call that racist is you want, but I don't think it fits the definition, which is attributing inferiority to all members of a race, and I'm just trying to portray to you why it is not generally considered to be racist.

I think we can agree it is not funny and frankly I share your feeling of not knowing why anyone would think it was.

First, no, it is not just white people who say that. And no, it is not just white people who use the term white trash.

Anytime you single out a group of people to ridicule in that fashion and label it racially, well there you go.. but...



From Avenue Q:

- Everyone's A Little Bit Racist

Princeton:
Say, Kate, can I ask you a question?

Kate Monster:
Sure!

Princeton:
Well, you know Trekkie Monster upstairs?

Kate Monster:
Uh huh.

Princeton:
Well, he's Trekkie Monster, and you're Kate Monster.

Kate Monster:
Right.

Princeton:
You're both Monsters.

Kate Monster:
Yeah.

Princeton:
Are you two related?

Kate Monster:
What?! Princeton, I'm surprised at you! I find that racist!

Princeton:
Oh, well, I'm sorry! I was just asking!

Kate Monster:
Well, it's a touchy subject.
No, not all Monsters are related.
What are you trying say, huh?
That we all look the same to you?
Huh, huh, huh?

Princeton:
No, no, no, not at all. I'm sorry,
I guess that was a little racist.

Kate Monster:
I should say so. You should be much more
careful when you're talking about the
sensitive subject of race.

Princeton:
Well, look who's talking!

Kate Monster:
What do you mean?

Princeton:
What about that special Monster School you told me about?

Kate Monster:
What about it?

Princeton:
Could someone like me go there?

Kate Monster:
No, we don't want people like you-

Princeton:
You see?!

You're a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
I guess we're both a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Admitting it is not an easy thing to do...

Princeton:
But I guess it's true.

Kate Monster:
Between me and you,
I think

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Sometimes.
Doesn't mean we go
Around committing hate crimes.
Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind.
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.

Princeton:
Now not big judgments, like who to hire
or who to buy a newspaper from -

Kate Monster:
No!

Princeton:
No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican
busboys should learn to speak goddamn English!

Kate Monster:
Right!

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Today.
So, everyone's a little bit racist
Okay!
Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
But you laugh because
They're based on truth.
Don't take them as
Personal attacks.
Everyone enjoys them -
So relax!

Princeton:
All right, stop me if you've heard this one.

Kate Monster:
Okay!

Princeton:
There's a plan going down and there's only
one paracute. And there's a rabbi, a priest...

Kate Monster:
And a black guy!

Gary Coleman:
Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Kate?

Kate Monster:
Uh...

Gary Coleman:
You were telling a black joke!

Princeton:
Well, sure, Gary, but lots of people tell black jokes.

Gary Coleman:
I don't.

Princeton:
Well, of course you don't - you're black!
But I bet you tell Polack jokes, right?

Gary Coleman:
Well, sure I do. Those stupid Polacks!

Princeton:
Now, don't you think that's a little racist?

Gary Coleman:
Well, damn, I guess you're right.

Kate Monster:
You're a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
We're all a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
I think that I would
Have to agree with you.

Princeton/Kate Monster:
We're glad you do.

Gary Coleman:
It's sad but true!
Everyone's a little bit racist -

All right!

Kate Monster:
All right!

Princeton:
All right!

Gary Coleman:
All right!
Bigotry has never been
Exclusively white

All:
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
Even though we all know
That it's wrong,
Maybe it would help us
Get along.

Princeton:
Oh, Christ do I feel good.

Gary Coleman:
Now there was a fine upstanding black man!

Princeton:
Who?

Gary Coleman:
Jesus Christ.

Kate Monster:
But, Gary, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, Jesus was black.

Kate Monster:
No, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was black-

Princeton:
Guys, guys...Jesus was Jewish!

Brian:
Hey guys, what are you laughing about?

Gary Coleman:
Racism!

Brian:
Cool.

Christmas Eve:
BRIAN! Come back here!
You take out lecycuraburs!

Princeton:
What's that mean?

Brian:
Um, recyclables.
Hey, don't laugh at her!
How many languages do you speak?

Kate Monster:
Oh, come off it, Brian!
Everyone's a little bit racist.

Brian:
I'm not!

Princeton:
Oh no?

Brian:
Nope!

How many Oriental wives
Have you got?

Christmas Eve:
What? Brian!

Princeton:
Brian, buddy, where you been?
The term is Asian-American!

Christmas Eve:
I know you are no
Intending to be
But calling me Oriental -
Offensive to me!

Brian:
I'm sorry, honey, I love you.

Christmas Eve:
And I love you.

Brian:
But you're racist, too.

Christmas Eve:
Yes, I know.
The Jews have all
The money
And the whites have all
The power.
And I'm always in taxi-cab
With driver who no shower!

Princeton:
Me too!

Kate Monster:
Me too!

Gary Coleman:
I can't even get a taxi!

All:
Everyone's a little bit racist
It's true.
But everyone is just about
As racist as you!
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
And everyone stopped being
So PC
Maybe we could live in -
Harmony!

Christmas Eve:
Evlyone's a ritter bit lacist!
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Mik, LOL. By that definition, we'd have to shut down Mad TV, Saturday Night Live, and on and on.

Actually I am surprised to see you being this....ah, shucks....politically correct and I kind of like it. Give them hell!


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But what if this parody was created by someone who IS low in social standing, and made it to poke fun at themselves and their neighbors?

Sorry... I guess I don't understand why there's even a debate. It just goes to show that on the internet, people will argue and fight about anything. Cripes...

This is a humorous little cartoon, and it's quite cute. If you're offended or you don't find it funny, the same rule applies to the internet as to television or movies: Don't watch! Find something else that you feel is more funny or more spiritually edifying, or gives you a big woody, or.... WTF-ever...


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You know what's really funny? What's really funny is people laughing at themselves. Think about the really funny comedy that's out there, most of it is people laughing at themselves. That's part of the reason that it's OK for a black man to use the n-word, and it's part of the reason that Larry the Cable guy is funny.

This video isn't people laughing at themselves, it's people laughing at others who are more unfortunate than they are. It's not funny.

If you can't or don't laugh at yourself, I don't believe that you truly have a sense of humour at all.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
Dec 19 2006, 09:37 AM
You know what's really funny? What's really funny is people laughing at themselves. Think about the really funny comedy that's out there, most of it is people laughing at themselves. That's part of the reason that it's OK for a black man to use the n-word, and it's part of the reason that Larry the Cable guy is funny.

This video isn't people laughing at themselves, it's people laughing at others who are more unfortunate than they are. It's not funny.

If you can't or don't laugh at yourself, I don't believe that you truly have a sense of humour at all.

Thank you, John. Your one eloquent post was far more effective than all my bombastic ones. I am humbled.
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Dec 19 2006, 09:56 AM
Your one eloquent post

Did you mean 'one eloquent post' in this thread, or 'one eloquent post' ever? :lol:

(And thanks for the compliment, Mik :) )
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Dec 19 2006, 12:45 AM
89th, did you read what I wrote above? Would you do me the honor of reading it and telling me what you disagree with? I cannot have a discussion with you (or anyone) if you are not going to read my posts and in this case- you have ignored everything I have written. I am willing to have this discussion with you, but not if you start from this place of ignoring me. :)

I thought it was quite clear from my post, but anyway, I disagree with:

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It seems more like "ethnic humor" than a "racist caricature" to me and I don't agree with you that it's racism or hypocrisy.
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Dec 19 2006, 02:12 AM
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Dec 18 2006, 08:07 PM
I only watched the first 30 seconds and didn't find it funny either.

I guess some people at WTF would disagree...

Is yet another potshot at WTF really necessary?

It so happens there's a bit of a debate going on over there about it to.

Good grief.

Is what I said not true?
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John D'Oh
Dec 19 2006, 11:03 AM
Mikhailoh
Dec 19 2006, 09:56 AM
Your one eloquent post

Did you mean 'one eloquent post' in this thread, or 'one eloquent post' ever? :lol:

(And thanks for the compliment, Mik :) )

No, no.. I'm sure you must have had more than one.... :lol:
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Dec 19 2006, 05:37 AM
You know what's really funny? What's really funny is people laughing at themselves. Think about the really funny comedy that's out there, most of it is people laughing at themselves. That's part of the reason that it's OK for a black man to use the n-word, and it's part of the reason that Larry the Cable guy is funny.

This video isn't people laughing at themselves, it's people laughing at others who are more unfortunate than they are. It's not funny.

If you can't or don't laugh at yourself, I don't believe that you truly have a sense of humour at all.

Yep. Nicely written, John. Kudos and props to ya'!
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Dec 19 2006, 07:04 AM
Daniel
Dec 19 2006, 12:45 AM
89th, did you read what I wrote above?  Would you do me the honor of reading it and telling me what you disagree with?  I cannot have a discussion with you (or anyone) if you are not going to read my posts and in this case- you have ignored everything I have written.  I am willing to have this discussion with you, but not if you start from this place of ignoring me. :)

I thought it was quite clear from my post, but anyway, I disagree with:

Quote:
 
It seems more like "ethnic humor" than a "racist caricature" to me and I don't agree with you that it's racism or hypocrisy.

I don't think we're in a place where we can communicate with each other effectively at least in this thread.

I have stated my postion in this thread, and, at the risk (certainty) of boring the audience, I have repeated myself three times.

You are not reading what I am saying, and from the quote you've chosen, I am not convinced you are reading it and understanding what is meant and disagreeing with it.

"It seems more like "ethnic humor" than a "racist caricature" to me and I don't agree with you that it's racism or hypocrisy."

You can't disagree with the statement: It seems [to me]. I am telling you it does. "ethnic humor" and "racist caricature" have specific meanings. "racism" has a specific meaning. "hypocrisy" has a specfic meaning.

You want to disagree with me- but what you want to do is assert your conclusions without engaging in a discussion.

What Steve posted is not something that someone would get fired for "saying" because it was "racist". It would be thought of more as "ethnic humor". If you do not like it- well, I'm sorry about that. I can't change it.

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It does too seem to you like racism. So there. ^_^
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I have a very low tolerance for posts that make fun of others. I'm afraid most people don't have my high standards. :angel:


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Daniel
Dec 19 2006, 03:05 PM
I have a very low tolerance for posts that make fun of others. I'm afraid most people don't have my high standards. :angel:

I guess that means you don't want to hear my joke about the hairlipped Hawaiian midget buying a horse....... :D
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I know that one, Larry! :lol2:
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Daniel
Dec 19 2006, 01:14 PM
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Dec 19 2006, 07:04 AM
Daniel
Dec 19 2006, 12:45 AM
89th, did you read what I wrote above?  Would you do me the honor of reading it and telling me what you disagree with?  I cannot have a discussion with you (or anyone) if you are not going to read my posts and in this case- you have ignored everything I have written.  I am willing to have this discussion with you, but not if you start from this place of ignoring me. :)

I thought it was quite clear from my post, but anyway, I disagree with:

Quote:
 
It seems more like "ethnic humor" than a "racist caricature" to me and I don't agree with you that it's racism or hypocrisy.

I don't think we're in a place where we can communicate with each other effectively at least in this thread.

I have stated my postion in this thread, and, at the risk (certainty) of boring the audience, I have repeated myself three times.

You are not reading what I am saying, and from the quote you've chosen, I am not convinced you are reading it and understanding what is meant and disagreeing with it.

"It seems more like "ethnic humor" than a "racist caricature" to me and I don't agree with you that it's racism or hypocrisy."

You can't disagree with the statement: It seems [to me]. I am telling you it does. "ethnic humor" and "racist caricature" have specific meanings. "racism" has a specific meaning. "hypocrisy" has a specfic meaning.

You want to disagree with me- but what you want to do is assert your conclusions without engaging in a discussion.

What Steve posted is not something that someone would get fired for "saying" because it was "racist". It would be thought of more as "ethnic humor". If you do not like it- well, I'm sorry about that. I can't change it.

And the point Mik is making, that I and others agree with, is that it SHOULD be considered racist.

If the same thing came out about "black trash" people would be all over it like the Stainweggie on KFC!

PS. That last part was racist to make a point.
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Larry
Dec 19 2006, 11:14 AM
Daniel
Dec 19 2006, 03:05 PM
I have a very low tolerance for posts that make fun of others.  I'm afraid most people don't have my high standards. :angel:

I guess that means you don't want to hear my joke about the hairlipped Hawaiian midget buying a horse....... :D

I meant posts to start threads but nice try. :lol:

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I do have one about the harelip in the hunchback's nut shoppe. It is incredibly offensive, and all the moreso because you get to use great voices telling it.
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Well, 89th. When a thread gets started about black trash people, we can do this all again. Cheers.

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OK :wave2:
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Larry
Dec 19 2006, 01:14 PM
I guess that means you don't want to hear my joke about the hairlipped Hawaiian midget buying a horse.......

"No, I meant I want to see her run!"


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"Wun awound a wittle." LOL
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