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| pianojerome | Dec 17 2006, 09:57 AM Post #1 |
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What do you think Israel should do that isn't slimeballish to ensure an end to Palestinian aggression? Aside from packing up their bags and leaving, assuming that after 58 years this is not a realistic expectation. |
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| TomK | Dec 17 2006, 10:13 AM Post #2 |
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Fair question. (Seems I do go on about this subject. :rolleyes: ) Off the top of my head: Now--today--giving back occupied territories. All complete. Setting up an economic sphere in those territories to give fair employment and education to the Palestinians--as best Israel can. Honestly Sam--it's all about money and security. If people have a good job and feel safe in their homes--wacko ideologies aren't part of the picture. Israel coupled with Arafat (the Palestinian's choice--I know,) in the past really deprived the Palestinian people of any chance to gain any economic welfare or any education. The Israeli's have to take the lead (after 35 years) to MAKE a workable Palestine--they aren't going to do it for themselves--and their Moslem friends will only use them to further Islamic causes. Israel has to build a friendly, secure and economicly stable Palestine--there is no other choice to insure Israel's peace and security. On the other hand-Israel is Israel and should ALWAYS remain right where it is. Jews have a right to their ancestral home--and home is Israel. But Israel need to wean itself away from foreign domination (the USA) and take control of it's own destiny--it needs to stop taking American money and get away from psycho Jewish-American angst (read: Jeffery) and make it's own way in the world. Israel has the makings of a wonderful country. I wish it the best. |
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| Larry | Dec 17 2006, 10:56 AM Post #3 |
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Tom, Israel is dealing with a group of throwbacks who teach their children that Jews are not humans, but something related to pigs. They teach their children that the greatest thing they can aspire to is to strap explosives to their bodies and blow themselves up in a group of Jews. So I have a better solution. Keep the damned territories, and get rid of the vermin that call themselves "Palestinians". Tell them to kiss their collective Israeli asses, and drive them back into Jordan and Syria where they came from. |
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| Larry | Dec 17 2006, 11:01 AM Post #4 |
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Why is it Israel's responsibility to build that? Tell the "Palestinians" to quit acting like a bunch of ignorant 13th century throwbacks, and spend the energy the spend hating Jews and blowing them up building their own economic stability. Secondly, even if the "Palestinians" were given mcmansions, new cadillacs, and a 50K per year income, they'd *still* be trying to kill all the Jews. Honestly Tom, I don't understand why you can't figure this out. Not all the arabs living in Israel are this way. But the majority are, and the solution is not to give them a damned thing other than a choice - either learn to get along with other people, or die. |
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| TomK | Dec 17 2006, 11:15 AM Post #5 |
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I agree. I agree with all of that (and not to get into a Jeffery-jon-nyc conversation) who is responsible for all of that kind of behavior--Israel and the PLO. Palestinians are slimeballs--BUT they have to be lived with. Israel has to civilize them or else it will be war FOREVER. Two things have to happen--the Palestinians have to rid themselves of corruption (a big deal) and Israel has to work with them to be a civilized nation. It may be to late. I don't know. But the blame thing has to end. Personally, I know a bunch of Palestinian-Americans. Good people. In 2001 we tried to build a hotel in Gaza--on the beach (I was 1/7th partner.) the PLO wanted 50 million dollars from us to get the rights build the hotel (a 10 million dollar hotel)--so I know that kind of stuff has to end. Larry, those people have to work together. |
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| Larry | Dec 17 2006, 11:18 AM Post #6 |
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That's just it, Tom. The Israelis have tried everything, and nothing works. There *is* no getting along with them. It's time to stop trying to get along with them and kick their asses out. That's the solution. |
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| TomK | Dec 17 2006, 01:57 PM Post #7 |
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No offence Larry, I've been to Israel a number of times--the last just 6 weeks ago, and I saw no educational systems going in for the Palestinians--no economic relief--just goat hearding and whatever. Israel needs to reinvent Palestine. With American money (which Israelis have plenty of,) they need to rehabilitatel Palestine. Arafat was a disaster--but he was as much a boon to the Israelis as he was to himself. Israel need to move away from her bigots (Jeffery) as the Palestinians need to move away from theirs (Hamas.) The bulk of Palestinians are under 15--stupid to be sure. And are WAY under any poverty code. Time they all get a grip on themselves and move ahead--and time America bows out of Israel and lets all those kind of people sort out their own differences. There's not much difference between any of them--believe me. Sunnis, She*ites, Jews and Kurds. All the same. All hat--no cattle (unless they import American steer.) |
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| Larry | Dec 17 2006, 11:29 PM Post #8 |
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Are you trying to say the "Palestinians" don't have any schools? You'd be quite mistaken. They have lots of schools.
Israel needs to *end* "Palestine". You can't polish a turd, Tom. Israel has done far more than they should be required to do to try and live in peace with these ignorant heathens, so I don't see where they owe the "Palestinians" anything - other than a busride back to Jordan.
And just whose fault is that - Israel's? Not on your life.
You are dead wrong, Tom. Israel isn't the one that has vowed to drive anyone into the sea. Israel isn't the one strapping bombs on children in order to kill people they hate. Israel is surrounded by ignorant muslims who have been taught to hate Jews from their first day in school. Israel is surrounded by people whose entire worldview hinges on killing Jews. If we abandon Israel, the people there will be killed. It's as simple as that. So I have a better idea. Instead of bowing out, let's just eliminate the "Palestinians" who refuse to live in peace, and be done with the scum. Then everyone else can live in peace. That's how it works in any conflict, Tom - get rid of the problem. And the problem isn't Israelis. Hell, it isn't even some of the "Palestinians". You save the bushel of apples by removing the rotten ones, not by abandoning the basket. Let's just tell the "Palestinians" to either stop what they're doing, abandon their goal of killing all the Jews, and live peacefully, or we're going to kill them.
Again, you are dead wrong. There is a world of difference between them. The Kurds don't have any desire to kill Jews. They're doing just fine, and would like to keep it that way. They aren't strapping bombs to their children and blowing up Israelis. Israelis are doing just fine, and would like to keep it that way. They aren't strapping bombs to their children either. It's ignorant arab muslims. |
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| pianojerome | Dec 18 2006, 11:06 AM Post #9 |
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What do you mean by 'giving back'? Do you mean giving them the entire land of Israel under their own control, i.e. packing up and leaving? Do you simply mean allowing them to go wherever they'd like? |
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| Frank_W | Dec 18 2006, 11:13 AM Post #10 |
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I'm glad I'm not a world leader, at the moment. I'm glad that I don't have to come up with some kind of viable solution to the Israeli/Palestinian problem. There must come a point where Israel decides that enough is enough, leaflets Palestine about the impending carpet bombing, and then carries it out. And everytime there's a suicide bombing, go back and do it again, until the Palestinians get it through their thick skulls that terrorism is not going to be tolerated, and will be dealt with in the sternest possible terms. When the terrorism stops, the bombing stops. Only then, at that point, can there be constructive dialog. Until then, it's absolutely hopeless. |
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