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| Global warming a hoax, says Senate testimony; Conspiracy!! NPR involved! Media! Libs! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 6 2006, 08:46 PM (611 Views) | |
| Larry | Dec 6 2006, 08:46 PM Post #1 |
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Oooooh! Algore and the environmentalist whackos are............ WRONG!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! (ahem..... ok, I'm calm now.....)..... [size=7]BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!![/size] Media Shows Irrational Hysteria on Global Warming "The Public Has Been Vastly Misinformed," NCPA's Deming Tells Senate Committee 12/6/2006 5:57:00 PM To: National Desk Contact: Sean Tuffnell of the National Center for Policy Analysis, 972-308-6481 or sean.tuffnell@ncpa.org WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 /U.S. Newswire/ -- David Deming, an associate professor at the University of Oklahoma and an adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA), testified this morning at a special hearing of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. The hearing examined climate change and the media. Below are excerpts from his prepared remarks. "In 1995, I published a short paper in the academic journal Science. In that study, I reviewed how borehole temperature data recorded a warming of about one degree Celsius in North America over the last 100 to 150 years. The week the article appeared, I was contacted by a reporter for National Public Radio. He offered to interview me, but only if I would state that the warming was due to human activity. When I refused to do so, he hung up on me. "I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change. He said, "We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period." "The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was a time of unusually warm weather that began around 1000 AD and persisted until a cold period known as the "Little Ice Age" took hold in the 14th century. ... The existence of the MWP had been recognized in the scientific literature for decades. But now it was a major embarrassment to those maintaining that the 20th century warming was truly anomalous. It had to be "gotten rid of." "In 1999, Michael Mann and his colleagues published a reconstruction of past temperature in which the MWP simply vanished. This unique estimate became known as the "hockey stick," because of the shape of the temperature graph. "Normally in science, when you have a novel result that appears to overturn previous work, you have to demonstrate why the earlier work was wrong. But the work of Mann and his colleagues was initially accepted uncritically, even though it contradicted the results of more than 100 previous studies. Other researchers have since reaffirmed that the Medieval Warm Period was both warm and global in its extent. "There is an overwhelming bias today in the media regarding the issue of global warming. In the past two years, this bias has bloomed into an irrational hysteria. Every natural disaster that occurs is now linked with global warming, no matter how tenuous or impossible the connection. As a result, the public has become vastly misinformed." --- The NCPA is an internationally known nonprofit, nonpartisan research institute with offices in Dallas and Washington, D. C. that advocates private solutions to public policy problems. NCPA depends on the contributions of individuals, corporations and foundations that share our mission. The NCPA accepts no government grants. http://www.usnewswire.com/
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| greg | Dec 6 2006, 08:49 PM Post #2 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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| "What do you think it is, stupid? It's a string for my lute." | |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 6 2006, 08:54 PM Post #3 |
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I think two things are very clear to the average person, or at least I would hope so: 1) Climate change is happening, although very slowly, and is usually just part of Earth's climate patterns...although we do need to clean up our act regardless, since it could only help, especially with the ever-increasing world population which leads to resource consumption and energy emissions. 2) The media is VERY biased in this area, making the issue WAY more urgent and often blamed for natural events like forest fires and hurricanes. But that's what sells! Same reason we see stories about violence in Iraq more than heart warming stories. It's all about the moolah! |
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| Larry | Dec 6 2006, 08:58 PM Post #4 |
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We've been telling you all along it was a normal cycle that has been going on for eons. The researchers LIED! SCIENTISTS LIED! MOON PIES FRIED! SCIENTISTS LIED! MOON PIES FRIED! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! |
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| Larry | Dec 6 2006, 08:59 PM Post #5 |
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Algore is gonna be pissed! He was using this as a way to get back into politics...... AL GORE - SAVIOR OF THE PLANET! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!@!!!! |
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| kenny | Dec 6 2006, 09:25 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Larry, I believed the liberals. I'm so ashamed. ![]() What should I do with my hybrid now? |
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| kentcouncil | Dec 6 2006, 09:29 PM Post #7 |
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Not a surprise to those of us who have questioned the quality of the science and the certainty of the conclusions with regards to global warming, especially Michael Mann's flawed statistical analysis. When politics, money, and the media are involved, science suffers. |
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It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't. - P.G. Wodehouse | |
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| Horace | Dec 6 2006, 09:48 PM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I just think it's funny that people think they know for such a certainty about global warming and its causes. Last I checked we can't even predict if it'll rain tomorrow but these ambiguous climate trends are definitely traceable back to certain human actions. Uh huh. Who the F do people think they're kidding. But nobody really questions them on it so the meme has legs - everybody "knows" because everybody else "knows". If anybody wonders whether our society holds certain memes that people several hundred years from now will look back on with derision or head-patting condescension, like we do with superstitions and pseudo-scientific views held by people hundreds of years ago, this is probably it. Not that I "know" there is no global warming nor do I "know" we have no part in it if it is occuring. Nor do I think it's an intractable scientific problem (though it wouldn't surprise me if it was). I just know that most people "know" because they were spoonfed information (or rather, assertions) that they want to believe, and that the real science and variables involved are way over the heads of pretty much everybody. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| mmmaestro007 | Dec 7 2006, 12:37 AM Post #9 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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as i posted in another thread, your Govt. 'found' a PhD to dispute the global warming issue! what would scientists who advocate global warming possibly have to gain if it was not true? |
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"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands, and all you can do is scratch it!" Sir Thomas Beechem, conductor | |
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| Klaus | Dec 7 2006, 01:03 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I don't know where global warming comes from, but I don't see how Larry's article shows in any way that the thesis that mankind is responsible for it is wrong. Larry, do you also seriously consider studies or arguments regarding global warming if they don't support what you want to be the truth? That is, do you consider the possibility that you could just as well be wrong on this issue? |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Klaus | Dec 7 2006, 01:06 AM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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By the way, I found this passably unbiased presentation of the controversy interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 7 2006, 01:13 AM Post #12 |
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I have a nice stack of journal articles about global warming. It's about 18 inches high and weighs maybe 5 pounds or so. Maybe more or less, I have no idea how much a couple reams of paper weigh. I've read them all, and they are to my estimation the most up to date science regarding global climate change; the oldest one dates back to 2002. I've been collecting them from when I started getting into environmental science back in school, and especially when I worked for the EPA's Office of Research and Development a year or so back. I'm afraid Larry's claim that global warming is a hoax doesn't stack up to what I've read on the subject. The only thing credible scientists in this field argue over is how much we're affecting the environment. That human beings can negatively affect the environment in large and often hard to reverse ways isn't debatable. That human beings can negatively affect the environment in large and often hard to reverse ways isn't debatable. I just thought I'd repeat that. How large these effects can be and how hard they are to reverse is debatable. |
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| mmmaestro007 | Dec 7 2006, 01:24 AM Post #13 |
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i agree - this is now the only issue in question |
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"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands, and all you can do is scratch it!" Sir Thomas Beechem, conductor | |
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| Moonbat | Dec 7 2006, 03:11 AM Post #14 |
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Still seems to be some debate there:
NewSci 29 November 2006 |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 7 2006, 04:15 AM Post #15 |
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I tend to agree that it is difficult to definitively tie warming to human activity. The hysteria is more than likely misplaced. That said, given what we know about what we put into the atmosphere, and how it will increase if no action is taken (i.e. China opening a new coal fired power plant a month(?) for several years), does it not behoove us to take measures to curb it? Not drastic and draconian, just persistent. It would seem to me that whatever we ''know" or not, we have seen an awful lot of examples where human behavior caused undesireable results in our environment. We should have an ultimate and constant goal of sustainability and increasing cleanliness... of living here as environmentally neutral as we can. I firmly believe we can get there. |
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| George K | Dec 7 2006, 04:25 AM Post #16 |
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Matt Lauer thinks so: "If you were to run for president, you could take this issue to the next level, even if just during a campaign. And if you were fortunate enough to win the presidency, you would sit in the most powerful office in the free world with a real chance to make . . . " Matt stopped himself at the immensity of the prospect before exclaiming "you could be in a position to save the planet!" |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 7 2006, 04:55 AM Post #17 |
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Hey, the sky's the limit for a guy who can invent the internet. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 7 2006, 05:55 AM Post #18 |
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Why do we only believe experts know what they're talking about when their views agree with ours? |
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| JBryan | Dec 7 2006, 06:32 AM Post #19 |
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The plain fact is there does not seem to be concensus among experts on this issue. certainly not as much as has been portrayed by the media and others. I don't know if the current rise in global temperatures is due totally or in part to human activity and it is clear the experts don't either. I do know that there have been naturally occuring climate swings on this planet that would be quite inhospitable to human activity. Certainly there is something to be said for minimizing human effects on the environment for its own sake but this global warming frenzy has gotten out of control. I agree with Horace, one day people will look back at all this and wonder. Or, maybe not. Who knows. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 7 2006, 07:30 AM Post #20 |
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We should err on the safe side. It does piss me off when ever little natural event is blamed on global warming. I'd actually believe them more if they blamed it on this guy. |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 7 2006, 08:04 AM Post #21 |
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You get one guy, an associate professor somewhere, who disagrees, and suddenly there's a lack of consensus? You guys are all ostriches. Get a vacuum cleaner and suck the sand out of your nostrils. Global warming is an unfortunate reality. Whether we can do anything about it, other than slow down its growth, is a much bigger open question. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| kenny | Dec 7 2006, 08:13 AM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Because we are all idiots. Every single one of us. |
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| JBryan | Dec 7 2006, 08:19 AM Post #23 |
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Are you representing here that this person is the sole voice of dissent in the global warming debate? If you are then a brief internet search should be sufficient to disabuse you of that notion.
I don't believe this person said that there was no global warming. It is the contribution by man that is the subject of debate. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Mark | Dec 7 2006, 08:26 AM Post #24 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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LMAO!!! "El Nino is spanish for THE NINO!" ![]() |
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| kenny | Dec 7 2006, 08:30 AM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm hearing the agruement, "GW is natural so we don't have to change." Even if GW IS natural humans can make choices that slow it, or not contribute to it as much as other choices. |
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