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Do you care airport screeners can see privates
Topic Started: Dec 4 2006, 09:14 PM (1,691 Views)
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An Irish company has now come up with a new security imaging system that can ‘see’ all objects, not just metallic items, by the use of only safe natural energy. Named Tadar, after the Brazilian Tadarida bat, it uses millimetre-waves to detect and identify suspicious objects hidden under clothing or to see through cloud and fog, in the same way that the bat uses high-frequency signals to navigate and locate insect prey in the dark. The high-frequency energy pulses emitted by the bat bounce off objects in its path and the reflected signals are interpreted by different types of sensory cell in the bat’s brain to determine both the location and physical properties of these objects.

"This new system is based on advanced microwave technology that Farran, now part of the Smith Group, has developed for space systems,” explains Tony McEnroe, Managing Director of Farran Technology.

I told you it was a microwave oven. I'm no Moonbat but I'll reserve judgment on whether it is "safe natural energy".

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If that is a microwave oven then your mobile phone is a microwave furnace.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


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Like I said I'm no Moonbat. I don't know.

The fact the company that makes it says it's safe is meaningless.

The micowaves are supposed to "bounce" off you and yet I see pictures of bones in the picture on p.1.

Aren't they going to hit you "before" they bounce off you?

It doesn't seem like "safe natural energy" to me.

I said "microwave oven" because I didn't know another way to say "microwave" but I guessed it was.

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An Irish company has now come up with a new security imaging system that can ‘see’ all objects, not just metallic items, by the use of only safe natural energy. Named Tadar, after the Brazilian Tadarida bat, it uses millimetre-waves to detect and identify suspicious objects hidden under clothing or to see through cloud and fog, in the same way that the bat uses high-frequency signals to navigate and locate insect prey in the dark. The high-frequency energy pulses emitted by the bat bounce off objects in its path and the reflected signals are interpreted by different types of sensory cell in the bat’s brain to determine both the location and physical properties of these objects.

"This new system is based on advanced microwave technology that Farran, now part of the Smith Group, has developed for space systems,” explains Tony McEnroe, Managing Director of Farran Technology.

I told you it was a microwave oven. I'm no Moonbat but I'll reserve judgment on whether it is "safe natural energy".


Ignoring "natural" nonsense which is just marketing drivel. That looks like terahertz radiation which as far as i'm aware, as it's non-ionising, is not dangerous.

Certainly i'd choose it over xrays, since xrays are ionising thus can cleave DNA (though unless you're constantly exposed to the stuff i guess doesn't really make that much difference).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terahertz
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Moonbat, thank you.

This is qualified. It says is not expected to not that it doesn't, that it's safer, not that it's safe.

In any case, it's radiation of the entire body, and I maintain that I should not be subjected to it.

Terahertz radiation is non-ionizing, and thus is not expected to damage DNA, unlike X-rays. Some frequencies of terahertz radiation can penetrate several centimeters of tissue and reflect back. Terahertz radiation can also detect differences in water content and density of a tissue. Terahertz imaging could allow effective detection of epithelial cancer and replace the mammogram with a safer and less invasive or painful imaging system.
* Some frequencies of terahertz radiation can be used for 3D imaging of teeth and could be more accurate and safer than conventional X-ray imaging in dentistry.

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Why does TSA want to see my Todger of Mass Destruction? :weeping:
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For the non-ionizing types of electromagnetic radiation it is the heat created within tissues that can be damaging. For this the lower frequencies are actually more dangerous which means this stuff is nothing compared to what you are exposed to every day in the real world radio environment.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


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Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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If you want to undermine the safety of any device or technology in the public mind, just use the word 'radiation'.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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In any case, it's radiation of the entire body, and I maintain that I should not be subjected to it.


I'm not about to tell you what you should or should not be subjected to, though i must point out that your body is constantly exposed to radiation, i mean visible light is radiation, so too are radiowaves, and microwaves used by radios, t.v., mobile phones, wireless network cards, etc.. The sun and any fire, is firing out a cocophony of different wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation. But really we only worry about UV because UV is ionising.

Electromagnetic radiation is not scary in and of itself, light is electromagnetic radiation, radiowaves, microwaves, infrared, terahertz radiation is all just like light that you can't see, if you increase the frequency until that light has the energy to cut up DNA that means sources of that radiation acts as mutagens (though medical xrays are very low risk, and not worth worrying about unless you're doctor and risk constant exposure). Lower energy radiation basically just heats stuff up, i mean that's what microwaves do they cook things by heating up water, in principle you could damage yourself with microwaves because you could boil your cells but you'd need very high intensity to do that, and you'd notice - it would hurt! Terahertz scanners would have an intensity orders of magnitude less than that needed to boil you. So I would quite happily walk through such a scanner, healthwise it would not worry me.

Edit: JBryan beat me to it. Actually i think he's the man to ask Daniel as he's involved in the telecomunications industry (as far as i recall).
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I am impressed by the range of subjects about which you have knowledge. I did not know that you would have knowledge of this one. I was only guessing. Obviously I would not feel comfortable doing this but I appreciate your thoughts.

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Dec 5 2006, 08:12 PM
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Thank God we don't live in the United States of Dewey.


On that score we agree. That would be every bit as frightening as the United States of Ivory.

^_^

I don't see why. In the USI we don't capriciously interpret the Constitution according our whim of what is "reasonable" and thereby gloss over the other not too fine points of the 4th Amendment such as the necessity for probable cause and warrants. That is what is terrifying about the USD. :wink:
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Thanks MB and JB for the info on the issue of radiation. I appreciate it.
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The fact the company that makes it says it's safe is meaningless.



A noble cause - but do you really practice this? You worry about the safety of a machine that can see through clothes (even though the manufacturer says it's safe), but probably don't think twice about using a cell phone or cordless phone? How about a bluetooth ear piece? Laptop top with wifi? Why would that be - because you personally investigated that they were safe? (By the way, all these devices can operate around the same 2.4GHz frequency that a microwave oven uses to heat food).

When you buy sunglasses to block out that Hawaii sunshine, do you believe the sticker that the manufacturer puts on your $10 sunglasses, that says they filter out all the UVA and UVB?

And more importantly, when you come across a sign warning you that a wall has wet paint, do you have to stop and touch it to make sure? (LOL - I am always greatly tempted to).



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Dec 6 2006, 09:57 AM
Dewey
Dec 5 2006, 08:12 PM
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Thank God we don't live in the United States of Dewey.


On that score we agree. That would be every bit as frightening as the United States of Ivory.

^_^

I don't see why. In the USI we don't capriciously interpret the Constitution according our whim of what is "reasonable" and thereby gloss over the other not too fine points of the 4th Amendment such as the necessity for probable cause and warrants. That is what is terrifying about the USD. :wink:

I'm not glossing over anything. I just know how to diagram a sentence, and I understand which are its primary parts and which are their modifiers.
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This discussion brings to mind the first time I went through one of those "sniffing" machines - where you're enclosed in a phonebooth like contraption and then puffs of air are blown around you. My first encounter with this machine, there was a young woman wearing a flouncy short skirt in front of me. She entered the machine and....well, let's just say we were both surprised. She turned around quickly after the blast of air and I think she figured - ok, only one dork saw. I still wish I could have had some kind of remote control device in my hand - she would likely have decked me. As it was, I got a free floor show.
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Dewey
Dec 6 2006, 09:42 AM
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Dec 6 2006, 09:57 AM
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Thank God we don't live in the United States of Dewey.


On that score we agree. That would be every bit as frightening as the United States of Ivory.

^_^

I don't see why. In the USI we don't capriciously interpret the Constitution according our whim of what is "reasonable" and thereby gloss over the other not too fine points of the 4th Amendment such as the necessity for probable cause and warrants. That is what is terrifying about the USD. :wink:

I'm not glossing over anything. I just know how to diagram a sentence, and I understand which are its primary parts and which are their modifiers.

Oh, I see -- the amendment only concerns "unreasonable search and seizure".

So as long as it "reasonable" Americans have no rights "to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,"?

Or is that that as along as warrants are issued, etc then all searches are reasonable?

Or is it that by virtue of needing to get on board a commercial airplane, Americans give up their 4th Amendment protections?

Or is it that the Government has probable cause and reason to strip search anyone they want as long as that person wants to get on board an airplane?
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Daniel why do you think that they would store the images?
Pfft.
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Jane D'Oh
Dec 6 2006, 11:14 AM
Daniel why do you think that they would store the images?

OHHH!!! Pick me!!!!!


Because that is what bureaucracies do.
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Dec 6 2006, 01:21 PM
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Dec 6 2006, 11:14 AM
Daniel why do you think that they would store the images?

OHHH!!! Pick me!!!!!

No! Sit down. Is your name Daniel?


OK, but if they have fingerprint already, what do they gain?
Pfft.
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Oh, I see -- the amendment only concerns "unreasonable search and seizure".


Yes, now you're catching on. The Fourth Amendment does not prohibit all search or seizure. If we, as determined by our legally elected and appointed governmental representatives, deem such a search or seizure "reasonable," then the Fourth Amendment references to the other legal protections given to citizens in this regard do not apply. You may not like that, but that's exactly what the Fourth Amendment says.
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Dec 6 2006, 11:24 AM
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Dec 6 2006, 11:14 AM
Daniel why do you think that they would store the images?

OHHH!!! Pick me!!!!!

No! Sit down. Is your name Daniel?


OK, but if they have fingerprint already, what do they gain?

Justification for their jobs, reasons to increase their budgets, more information about their subjects, data for later analysis, etc ... its what bureaucrats do.
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I am quite sure no government official would ever keep records which they were not legally entitled and obligated to maintain. :rolleyes:

See Swedish cops kept record of beautiful women.

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Well I'm sure that all the extraordinary dangle bits described by their owners here would make for quite the collection!!
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Dec 6 2006, 10:14 AM
Daniel why do you think that they would store the images?

Jane yes I do. They revealed that they have had a program where files are kept assigning terrorist risk including a variety of personal information which they are going to keep for 40 years. It relates to anyone US citizen or not leaving and entering the country. However reasonable this seems- the information is shared among government agencies, civil authorities, government contractors, and employers. What is not reasonable in my view is that we cannot have access to these files which like credit reports might or might not contain inaccurate information and might determine things like whether we get a job, a contract, and etc. When the TSA says the images cannot be stored, and will never be stored they have no credibility in my opinion.
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If this becomes the United States of Dewey I'm moving to Canada. :rolleyes:

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