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No more ethnic identity.; ...another mini-rant
Topic Started: Nov 28 2006, 11:52 AM (593 Views)
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Well I'm using "identity" as more of an overarching word for personal/physical "characteristics", as identified (no pun intended) earlier in the thread. If one group is significantly over-represented (showing bias) in government materials, then I agree that such an issue warrants forced diversity or even ambiguous ethnic representations. It seems though that the current push by the government is too strong and I feel like it's slowly stripping away perfectly innocent "identities" that shouldn't offend anyone.
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Shouldn't the NBA be 88% caucasian? Probably not as good b'ball, but fair is fair.
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I don't think these group identities are "perfectly innocent". They don't offend me in the way you describe, but i object to their existence.

I dislike the very concept of this sub-group stuff. I think we should slowly strip away the significance of these classifications. So that someone having black skin becomes no more significant than having ginger hair or being tall, etc.

Give me a world where people don't even understand what the question "what race are you?" means.
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89th,
I met an illustrator of children's books a couple years ago, and he talked about this. He said that it had been an issue in the late 80s/early 90s - that they made these unidentifiable children who were supposed to look like they weren't any race. But that recently, for both book illustrations and his advertising contracts, they wanted diversity. So there are some black people, some white, some asian, etc. He said there had been a shift in thinking.

I'm totally ok with them using people of all different races to advertise/illustrate. But i don't like the idea of just making this weird blend where you can't tell anything - they just look unrealistic.

As far as advertising and using the one black kid, one asian, and one white, I understand why they do that - because they want to make sure they're appealing to all markets. It's a money thing.
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As far as advertising and using the one black kid, one asian, and one white, I understand why they do that - because they want to make sure they're appealing to all markets. It's a money thing.


Oh, I understand it too - and I even applaud the idea that the illustrations aren't exclusively little caucasian kids. What strikes me as interesting, and a little ridiculous, is just the near universality of the specific template I described, in order, gesture, etc. I've seen it in store after store after store. And to further reinforce the stereotypical images, the white kid in this trio (perhaps in other graphics, but never as part of this "trio shot") never has dark hair or brown eyes. She's always the definitive "Aryan" blonde, fair skinned, blue-eyed representative.
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Dewey
Nov 28 2006, 04:20 PM
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As far as advertising and using the one black kid, one asian, and one white, I understand why they do that - because they want to make sure they're appealing to all markets. It's a money thing.


Oh, I understand it too - and I even applaud the idea that the illustrations aren't exclusively little caucasian kids. What strikes me as interesting, and a little ridiculous, is just the near universality of the specific template I described, in order, gesture, etc. I've seen it in store after store after store.

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89th, I'm not sure what you're on about (is this British slang or am I mistaken?)

Your first post could use a little more detail.

I think you should take John up on his offer to sell pumpkins. The open road might do you good.

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Daniel
Nov 28 2006, 06:52 PM
I'm not sure what you're on about (is this British slang or am I mistaken?)

I've no idea of it's origins but it's frequently used there. :smile:
Pfft.
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Nov 28 2006, 06:12 PM
89th,
I met an illustrator of children's books a couple years ago, and he talked about this. He said that it had been an issue in the late 80s/early 90s - that they made these unidentifiable children who were supposed to look like they weren't any race. But that recently, for both book illustrations and his advertising contracts, they wanted diversity. So there are some black people, some white, some asian, etc. He said there had been a shift in thinking.

I'm totally ok with them using people of all different races to advertise/illustrate. But i don't like the idea of just making this weird blend where you can't tell anything - they just look unrealistic.

As far as advertising and using the one black kid, one asian, and one white, I understand why they do that - because they want to make sure they're appealing to all markets. It's a money thing.

And I completely agree there..especially if it's a private business thing, etc. On another program we are working on, we use a bear to tell a story because heaven forbid we use a kid whos ethnicity or gender is visible!

I really dont mind intentional diversity, and it's usually a good idea. I think it's just been taken way to far in the public sector...
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