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A Losing Battle in Anbar?; That's What the Marines Say
Topic Started: Nov 28 2006, 06:30 AM (623 Views)
QuirtEvans
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According to the Washington Post, a classified Marine Corps intelligence report has found that

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"the social and political situation has deteriorated to a point" that U.S. and Iraqi troops "are no longer capable of militarily defeating the insurgency in al-Anbar."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6112701287.html
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Yay!!
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If it were up to me, I'd leaflet the Anbar province, and starting the next day, I would carpet bomb the dogsh!t out of the place for at least a week, and I would advertise that American munitions are all run through vats of pig's blood and release the statement to Al-Jizz.

Meanwhile, in this country, we have the media and a certain insane faction of the public, who cheers for our defeat in Iraq.

:wazup: :sad: :no:
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The five-page report -- written by Col. Peter Devlin, a senior and seasoned military intelligence officer with the Marine Expeditionary Force -- is marked secret, for dissemination to U.S. and allied troops in Iraq only. It does not appear to have been made available to Iraqi national forces fighting alongside Americans.


Until now, anyway.
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Yeah... That report will be a wonderful boost to morale, huh? :cursing:
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I was waiting for that....

Meanwhile, the New York Times turns to SCOTUS:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061124/ap_on_.../scotus_nytimes

WASHINGTON - The New York Times asked the Supreme Court on Friday to block the government from reviewing the phone records of two reporters in a leak investigation about a terrorism-funding probe.

The case involved stories written in 2001 by Times reporters Judith Miller and Philip Shenon that revealed the government's plans to freeze the assets of two Islamic charities, the Holy Land Foundation and the Global Relief Foundation.

In a 2-1 decision, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said federal prosecutors can see the phone records of Shenon and Miller. Miller retired from the Times a year ago.

The Times wants Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to block temporarily the government from going through the records so that the newspaper can prepare a petition arguing why the justices should step into the case. Ginsburg asked the Justice Department for a response.

A federal judge had ruled that the records were off limits unless prosecutors could show they had exhausted all other means of finding out who spoke to the newspaper.

The appeals court said a grand jury investigation of the disclosures wasn't likely to go anywhere without help from the reporters or access to their records.

In papers filed with the Supreme Court, the Times said when confidential sources confirmed that the assets of two charities would be frozen, Shenon and Miller called the two organizations for comment.

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And the Followup:
Court rejects NY Times

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer Mon Nov 27, 3:35 PM ET
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled against The New York Times on Monday, refusing to block the government from reviewing the phone records of two Times reporters in a leak investigation of a terrorism-funding probe.

The one-sentence order came in a First Amendment battle that involves stories written in 2001 by Times reporters Judith Miller and Philip Shenon. The stories revealed the government's plans to freeze the assets of two Islamic charities, the Holy Land Foundation and the Global Relief Foundation.

Like the CIA leak investigation into who in the Bush administration revealed the identity of Valerie Plame, the current Justice Department probe is being conducted by Patrick Fitzgerald, who is prosecuting Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff in the Plame case.

In June 2005, the Supreme Court refused to take up the Times' request to hear an appeal in the Plame investigation. Fitzgerald was seeking to compel Miller, who retired from the Times a year ago, to reveal her sources in that case.

(interestingly (or not) the story does not mention that this there were no dissenting votes)
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Frank_W
Nov 28 2006, 09:27 AM
If it were up to me, I'd leaflet the Anbar province, and starting the next day, I would carpet bomb the dogsh!t out of the place for at least a week, and I would advertise that American munitions are all run through vats of pig's blood and release the statement to Al-Jizz.

Meanwhile, in this country, we have the media and a certain insane faction of the public, who cheers for our defeat in Iraq.

:wazup: :sad: :no:

Fine with me.

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Hey, do whatever you want. It's not my $3,000,000,000/day in tax money (or whatever the actual figure is, I think it's higher) paying for it
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3 billion/day?
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It's off the top of my head, but I think so. Of course, as you know, 74.2% of all statistics are completely made up :D
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Feel free to prove me completely wrong :P
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A poll was started along time ago in here, where it was asked how much money being spent tips the scales where it's not worth it anymore? $3billion/day is SO not worth it. But I would guess it's more like 1% of that.
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Ok I found it...it's costing $161 million per day. (Roughly $5b/month)

Even then, that might not be worth it.

I would never support leaving Iraq early for any military or political reason...at least not with the current events. However, one reason I would support leaving (if I had to pick a reason) would be how much good $161,000,000 every single day could help out poor countries (if we had to use the money for foreign affairs, that is).
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I think I was thinking of $3b/wk, not day. $5b/month seems low.
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Um, the issue isn't what that money could do for other countries, or even for our own country. The issue is that that money does not exist. We are spending money we don't have. It's not what could this money do, it's how could we not dig such a deep financial hole for future generations (my generation in particular).
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5.61 billion a month.

Sorry.

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Nov 28 2006, 12:07 PM
Um, the issue isn't what that money could do for other countries, or even for our own country. The issue is that that money does not exist. We are spending money we don't have. It's not what could this money do, it's how could we not dig such a deep financial hole for future generations (my generation in particular).

But that's what we do best! :D
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Nov 28 2006, 12:07 PM
5.61 billion a month.

Sorry.

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:D lol jk. thanks for finding them 89, i never know where the heck to look for statistics. apparently the top of my head is not as accurate as it used to be. :P
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Nov 28 2006, 12:08 PM
Ben
Nov 28 2006, 12:07 PM
Um, the issue isn't what that money could do for other countries, or even for our own country. The issue is that that money does not exist. We are spending money we don't have. It's not what could this money do, it's how could we not dig such a deep financial hole for future generations (my generation in particular).

But that's what we do best! :D

:D

All too true though.

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OK hasta luego!
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Jolly
Nov 28 2006, 11:28 AM
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Nov 28 2006, 09:27 AM
If it were up to me, I'd leaflet the Anbar province, and starting the next day, I would carpet bomb the dogsh!t out of the place for at least a week, and I would advertise that American munitions are all run through vats of pig's blood and release the statement to Al-Jizz.

Meanwhile, in this country, we have the media and a certain insane faction of the public, who cheers for our defeat in Iraq.

:wazup:  :sad:  :no:

Fine with me.

The boys at Barksdale could use the practice. Nothing like watching a stick of 500 pounders falling out the belly of a BUFF.

Carpet bombing Anbar will solve nothing.

Iraq's borders with Iran and Syria need to be secured, immediately. Without that outside support, Iraq's insurgency becomes much more tractable. That this has not already been done is a stunning example of negligence.
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I think Bush needs to have someone sit down with Hassad in Syria and Akmagenocide in Iran and lay out a set of parameters and goals. When the goals are not met strategic bombing of their countries will begin. Everytime evidence of foreign fighters turns up, another site is bombed into oblivion. Syria meddling in Lebanon? Bomb. Iran enriching uranium? Bomb. This continues until those countries comply and figure out what they need to do or they enter the stone age. It will be very difficult for them to function if they have no working power grid.
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kentcouncil
Nov 28 2006, 12:18 PM
Jolly
Nov 28 2006, 11:28 AM
Frank_W
Nov 28 2006, 09:27 AM
If it were up to me, I'd leaflet the Anbar province, and starting the next day, I would carpet bomb the dogsh!t out of the place for at least a week, and I would advertise that American munitions are all run through vats of pig's blood and release the statement to Al-Jizz.

Meanwhile, in this country, we have the media and a certain insane faction of the public, who cheers for our defeat in Iraq.

:wazup:  :sad:  :no:

Fine with me.

The boys at Barksdale could use the practice. Nothing like watching a stick of 500 pounders falling out the belly of a BUFF.

Carpet bombing Anbar will solve nothing.

Iraq's borders with Iran and Syria need to be secured, immediately. Without that outside support, Iraq's insurgency becomes much more tractable. That this has not already been done is a stunning example of negligence.

I agree.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


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Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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kentcouncil
Nov 28 2006, 09:18 AM
Jolly
Nov 28 2006, 11:28 AM
Frank_W
Nov 28 2006, 09:27 AM
If it were up to me, I'd leaflet the Anbar province, and starting the next day, I would carpet bomb the dogsh!t out of the place for at least a week, and I would advertise that American munitions are all run through vats of pig's blood and release the statement to Al-Jizz.

Meanwhile, in this country, we have the media and a certain insane faction of the public, who cheers for our defeat in Iraq.

:wazup:  :sad:  :no:

Fine with me.

The boys at Barksdale could use the practice. Nothing like watching a stick of 500 pounders falling out the belly of a BUFF.

Carpet bombing Anbar will solve nothing.

Iraq's borders with Iran and Syria need to be secured, immediately. Without that outside support, Iraq's insurgency becomes much more tractable. That this has not already been done is a stunning example of negligence.

Right on, Kent. There's also the volatile southern border -- You know: The one that stretches from Texas to California. :D
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Back to the point.

Despite all the "we're winning, and everyone who has ever been to Iraq says that we're winning, and it's just the liberal nay-saying media that has convinced the American public that we're losing" crap that we hear around here ...

The Marines are saying we can't win in Anbar.

Those would be the same Marines that some who "wore the uniform" say are mocking John Murtha, who has been saying pretty much the same thing.

I'm not in favor of the "Go Home" scenario. I think we have to stay and we have to win. I'm just wondering how we go about doing that, since even the Marines are agreeing that it's not happpening right now.
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