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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 10 2006, 12:41 PM (210 Views) | |
| QuirtEvans | Nov 10 2006, 12:41 PM Post #1 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Well, we can hope so, anyway. But it looks as if Lincoln Chaffee is willing to drive a stake through his heart. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/10/bol...ress/index.html |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Jolly | Nov 10 2006, 12:43 PM Post #2 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Lincoln wasn't going to vote for him anyway, so BFD. Bolton has been the ambassador for awhile now...can anybody point to poor job performance on his part? |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| JBryan | Nov 10 2006, 12:44 PM Post #3 |
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I am the grey one
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Too bad. He is good in the post. There is no good reason not to confirm him. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Luke's Dad | Nov 10 2006, 12:45 PM Post #4 |
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Emperor Pengin
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So you throw the baby out with the bathwater? I think somebody's a little miffed at the President. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 10 2006, 12:49 PM Post #5 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Apparently, you missed the article's main point. If Chaffee votes "no", he doesn't get a positive vote from the Committee. Without a positive vote from the Committee, they are suggesting he doesn't get a floor vote. Are they right about that, as a procedural matter? Generally, yes. You need Committee approval to get a vote on the floor. But I'm not familiar enough with arcane Senate rules to be able to tell you whether there's an exception that would let Bill Frist bring it to a floor vote without the nomination being approved in Committee. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 10 2006, 01:13 PM Post #6 |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/washingt...r=1&oref=slogin In fact, it's reported that the White House is exploring other ways to keep him on the job, since they recognize that, without Chaffee's support, he can't get confirmed. Still a BFD, Jolly? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Nov 10 2006, 01:15 PM Post #7 |
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I am the grey one
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He can be reappointed by another recess appointment but he has to work without pay because it is his second recess appointment. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 10 2006, 01:17 PM Post #8 |
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Yes, the article said that. It also said this:
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Jolly | Nov 10 2006, 01:22 PM Post #9 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Nope. As I said, Chaffee wasn't going to vote for him anyway, therefore he doesn't make it out of committee anyway, therefore he gets no floor vote anyway. It's essentially a wail in the wilderness, an idle quip from somebody who wasn't ever going to vote for the man. Chaffee has just become perhaps the last dinosaur - the liberal Rockefeller Republican, the quintessential RINO. And his end time is fast approaching. Again, BFD. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 10 2006, 04:10 PM Post #10 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I heard on NPR today they are looking at some other kind of appointment like special envoy to the UN or something so he copuld continue to get paid and still do the job. What a stupid argument. The President ought to be able to pick who he/she wants within reason, meaning intelligent, capable, not a convicted felon, etc. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 10 2006, 04:32 PM Post #11 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Thereby gutting the Constitutional role for the Senate in approving nominees. You may not like how the Senate chooses to exercise its power, but they may not like how you choose to spend your money ... the point is, it's their power, they get to exercise it as they like. Some of you really don't like the Constitution, do you? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 10 2006, 04:51 PM Post #12 |
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MAMIL
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Wouldn't that be more in the line of a dictator? Whoever heard of a lame-duck dictator? |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 10 2006, 04:54 PM Post #13 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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A recess appointment is designed to be a short term solution -- the duration of the Senate's next term. It makes no sense for any ambassadorial appointment (to a major nation), SCOTUS, etc |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 10 2006, 05:18 PM Post #14 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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It is worth revisiting Federalist No 76, which states
So in the minds of the founding fathers, at least Publius, advice and consent is more in the manner of due diligence than an occassion for political opportunism. But Hamilton never envisaged the Borking that the Dems do today. Back then they were statesmen, not politicians. |
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| JBryan | Nov 10 2006, 06:13 PM Post #15 |
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I am the grey one
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Refusing to confirm Bolton when there is not a single defensible reason for it is frivolous and petty. Although they do have the power to do so it is an abuse of that power. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jolly | Nov 10 2006, 06:34 PM Post #16 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Some of us like it in the manner it was meant to be enforced. Absent an inability to do the job, or an injection of extreme politics, why should Bolton not be given the job? Because the majority doesn't "like" him? Somebody mentioned the verb "bork". It was a sad day when that word was added to the lexicon... |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 10 2006, 06:41 PM Post #17 |
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MAMIL
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It's not just the Democrats. The problem is systemic, and is abused by all. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| JBryan | Nov 10 2006, 06:47 PM Post #18 |
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I am the grey one
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What they did to John Bolton goes beyond "Borking". There is not even the most feeble of justifications for rejecting him. No attempt at all to create even the facade of "advise and consent". Just, "No". |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Dave Spelvin | Nov 10 2006, 08:13 PM Post #19 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Are you saying that all moderate Republicans are finished as Republicans? Great news for us. Remember how Reagan had his big tent, or whatever it was called? If you don't have Lincoln Chafee and others like him, you've got no chance for a majority. Works for me. |
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| JBryan | Nov 10 2006, 08:20 PM Post #20 |
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I am the grey one
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The Democrats are the ones doing the "big tent" now with all their new blue dogs. Still works for you? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Dave Spelvin | Nov 10 2006, 08:23 PM Post #21 |
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Fulla-Carp
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You are wrong. There are several and they sound good to me. First, he's too blunt to be a successful diplomat. Certainly a matter of taste, but the Senate doesn't have any rules that I'm aware of to guide it in determining the breadth of "advise and consent". If they think he'd make a lousy diplomat, they can scotch the nomination. Second, he has been accused of making several big lies that without confidential information cannot be proved. Nevertheless, people who know, like Henry Waxman, don't trust him:
You may not like these reasons, JB, but they aren't feeble if they're true. Maybe you think that everybody's made up a bunch of lies about Bolton. Maybe we'll never know. Wiki |
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| Dave Spelvin | Nov 10 2006, 08:24 PM Post #22 |
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Fulla-Carp
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If it keeps the radical right out of power, it works for me. |
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