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Heeeeerrrrre's Nancy!
Topic Started: Nov 9 2006, 09:16 AM (814 Views)
Jolly
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The voting record of the new Majority Leader:

http://issues2002.org/CA/Nancy_Pelosi.htm
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Why would anyone vote no to banning partial birth abortion? WTF? "They want to murder babies" well obviously. What do they think they're doing? The only explanation I've heard is "because if not the mother might not be able to have children in the future".

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speaking of abortion...

i sense a new trend.

the incidence of premature births has risen dramatically with the use of fertility treatments.

how long before it will be deemed expedient to kill the premature? It seems a possibility especially when it is thought ok to abort a full term baby...

oh dear.

i saw news stories of parents complaining of the cost of raising 3 handicapped triplets.. the bills of course wiped them out with no end in sight.
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:hair: This woman is hidious!
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Holy carp. She is freaking HORRIBLE! I knew she was bad...but not THAT bad!!

She didn't want to ban partial-birth abortions? She voted against increasing border security. The list goes on forever!

HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!
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Apart from a few issues which I don't agree with (the partial-birth abortion is one of them), she's not the worst that could happen. She obviously knows it's wrong to ban gay marriage and gay adoptions.
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Nov 9 2006, 09:42 AM
Apart from a few issues which I don't agree with (the partial-birth abortion is one of them), she's not too bad. She obviously knows it's wrong to ban gay marriage and gay adoptions. Oh, yeah she's a ****ing Hitler.

This woman thinks it is alright for ANY PERSON to take my child across state line to another state to have an abortion without notifying me. :hair:
* Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
* Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)


This woman thinks it is alright for someone to have a partial-birth abortion. :hair:

* Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
* Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)

This woman thinks it is alright for people like Scott Paterson to kill his wife and unborn child and not be charged with murdering the child.
* Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
* Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)

This woman thinks it is alright to dehumanize us by cloning us and then harvesting the parts (what, you don't think this is where this road is leading) :hair:

* Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)

This woman is hidious!
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I didn't say I agreed with all her views. I am pro-choice, but am against partial-birth abortion. I think after a certain point in the pregnancy that the woman should carry the baby to term. (or as long as possible) I don't approve of taking minors across state lines to have abortions, as should be the case of any major medical and surgical procedure. I thought it was illegal to hurt a fetus during a crime. (I admit to ignorance on that part) I have some mixed feelings about cloning. I do see the benefits of cloning human cells. I don't think we should clone an entire living, breathing human being.
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LadyElton
Nov 9 2006, 12:42 PM
I didn't say I agreed with all her views. I am pro-choice, but am against partial-birth abortion. I think after a certain point in the pregnancy that the woman should carry the baby to term. (or as long as possible) I don't approve of taking minors across state lines to have abortions, as should be the case of any major medical and surgical procedure. I thought it was illegal to hurt a fetus during a crime. (I admit to ignorance on that part) I have some mixed feelings about cloning. I do see the benefits of cloning human cells. I don't think we should clone an entire living, breathing human being.

Nancy marched in a San Francisco parade with the NAMBLA folks.

Wonder if I can find a picture?....
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Nov 9 2006, 10:42 AM
I didn't say I agreed with all her views. I am pro-choice, but am against partial-birth abortion. I think after a certain point in the pregnancy that the woman should carry the baby to term. (or as long as possible) I don't approve of taking minors across state lines to have abortions, as should be the case of any major medical and surgical procedure. I thought it was illegal to hurt a fetus during a crime. (I admit to ignorance on that part) I have some mixed feelings about cloning. I do see the benefits of cloning human cells. I don't think we should clone an entire living, breathing human being.

The point is that you would vote for the devil or Hitler if they agreed to your right to eat pu**y.

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My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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Heil Hitler.
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Nov 9 2006, 10:56 AM
Heil Hitler.

Typical of a liberal.

lb
My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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In the first place, there is no such thing as "partial birth" abortion. It is a misnomer created and spread by the same people who call the Democrats the "Party of Death". In the second place, despite what the Right wants you to think, it is a necessary procedure in certain cases, that is if you care about the health of the woman. It's in the news now:

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At the heart of Wednesday's case are the congressional findings about the procedure abortion opponents call "partial-birth abortion," and whether Congress was justified in its conclusion that there is a medical consensus that the procedure is "never medically necessary." The lower courts, without exception, ruled the congressional findings were not supported by the facts.

For instance, one court heard from 11 highly regarded specialists in the field of obstetrics and gynecology. Ten of the specialists said that in some cases a "partial birth procedure" is necessary to prevent hemorrhaging, organ failure or infertility. Indeed, the court noted that even the one doctor who completely supported the ban conceded that he had used and would use the procedure in some circumstances.


From Larry's preferred radio network

And since when have politicians decided what is or is not a safe or necessary medical procedure?
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Nov 9 2006, 01:59 PM
LadyElton
Nov 9 2006, 10:56 AM
Heil Hitler.

Typical of a liberal.

lb

Yeah, considering the Nazis were ultra-conservative.
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no need to be grossly insulting as we discuss politics.

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She marched with NAMBLA!?!

I thought only Kerry did that. :whistle:
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apple
Nov 9 2006, 11:08 AM
no need to be grossly insulting as we discuss politics.

I agree, LE back off on your praise of Pelosie would you.

lb
My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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Dave Spelvin
Nov 9 2006, 01:00 PM
In the first place, there is no such thing as "partial birth" abortion. It is a misnomer created and spread by the same people who call the Democrats the "Party of Death". In the second place, despite what the Right wants you to think, it is a necessary procedure in certain cases, that is if you care about the health of the woman. It's in the news now:

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At the heart of Wednesday's case are the congressional findings about the procedure abortion opponents call "partial-birth abortion," and whether Congress was justified in its conclusion that there is a medical consensus that the procedure is "never medically necessary." The lower courts, without exception, ruled the congressional findings were not supported by the facts.

For instance, one court heard from 11 highly regarded specialists in the field of obstetrics and gynecology. Ten of the specialists said that in some cases a "partial birth procedure" is necessary to prevent hemorrhaging, organ failure or infertility. Indeed, the court noted that even the one doctor who completely supported the ban conceded that he had used and would use the procedure in some circumstances.


From Larry's preferred radio network

And since when have politicians decided what is or is not a safe or necessary medical procedure?

Bushwa.

Son, when you pull a baby's head out the birth canal - a full term child, fully capable of breathing and crying, and run a surgical steel instrument through the foramen magnum to scramble it's brains before taking a scalpel and cutting its head off - and do what I've described, you are no longer fit for polite society, and should be taken out behind the woodshed and whupped.

I personally don't give a tinker's damn how many WWD's (weirdos with degrees) you have testifying on behalf of the procedure. There hasn't been a murder trial in this country where I couldn't find some of these intellectual whores to sell their soul for a dollar bill and ten minutes of fame, so I doubt there is any problem finding a pro-abortion MD or pHD to tell me how wonderful chopping off baby's heads is, and how much the mother will benefit.

Benefit, Hell. They ought to strap her sorry butt down on the delivery table, and tie down the criminal who performed the act next to her, and let them both wallow in the brain bits and blood while they watch an endless loop of what they just did for the next 24 hours.

There is no defending that which should never be defended. Maybe you need to another thread and help kenny explain why Mohammed felt the need to have sex with 9 year old girls. It makes more sense than this tripe.
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Godwin's Law violation! When Hitler/nazis are brought up, discussion closes. Whoever brings them up loses the debate by default.
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Bushwa.

Jolly: The courts have not found evidence supporting your view or the "facts" on which Congress based its law. Aren't you a conservative? Why do you think it's appropriate for Congress to decide what medical procedures can and can't be used? What business is it of politicians of any stripe to decide this instead of doctors and their patients? Bushwa indeed.
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Nov 9 2006, 11:08 AM
no need to be grossly insulting as we discuss politics.

I couldn't agree more. There was a time when differences in political and spiritual outlooks were debated and discussed with some modicum of respect. How interesting and wonderful that was.

Lately? :no:
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Putting a .45 slug through someone's forehead can be loosely described as a medical procedure.
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There was a time when differences in political and spiritual outlooks were debated and discussed with some modicum of respect.

When?
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How many here have seen an abortion?

How many here have seen a partial birth abortion?

I know of one person.

To prevent hemorrhage? Bullsh*t. I've been doing this for 30 years, and never have I heard that as an excuse.

I'm not taking a stand for or against abortion here, but you should know what you're talking about.
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Nov 9 2006, 11:44 AM
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There was a time when differences in political and spiritual outlooks were debated and discussed with some modicum of respect.

When?

Well, at least without all of the personal attacks and insults.
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