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Do you hate gay people?
Yes 2 (9.5%)
No 19 (90.5%)
Total Votes: 21
Poll for people who are opposed to gay marriage
Topic Started: Nov 8 2006, 07:15 PM (469 Views)
pianojerome
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HOLY CARP!!!
Anonymous poll.

Nobody will know if you put yes or no.
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Ben
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This is like the exit polls in Tennessee asking if race played a part in Harold Ford Jr.'s loss. While the answer may be yes next to no one is going to say that, anonymous or not. It is likely a subconscious thing, where in the conscious mind one thinks "I would never hate black people/gay people!" but in the subconscious they are really prejudiced.

(I nulled my vote since the poll wasn't for me)
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Ben
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I'm not saying that this is always true or even usually true, but rather true for a small minority and maybe even no one here at TNCR.
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No. I do not hate gay people.

I do believe that marriage is an institution reserved for a union between one man and one woman.
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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ivorythumper
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Won't someone PLEASE vote "yes"????

It will make Kenny happy.

Do it for Kenny.
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Improviso
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I can't hate Kenny. He drives a hybrid, just like us. We're a group.

Rut..Roh.. Kenny says groupism is BAD.

Kenny. Sell the Hybrid and buy a Hummer and get the hell out of our group. :D
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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kenny
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Slave owners just claimed, "It is God's way."

Hate is something only others do.

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David Burton
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I want to tell you all that as a matter of fact I not only don’t hate gay people, I actually like most of them and sometimes better than straight people.

And Kenny? Well, he obviously has good taste, is a great artist, probably can play better than me, etc. And Bernard? Anyone ever heard him play? Wonderful! No, emphatically no. I LOVE gay people.
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Ben
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Hate is a strong word.
- Ben

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kenny
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Ben
Nov 8 2006, 08:56 PM
Hate is a strong word.

So is "You don't get equality."
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kenny
Nov 9 2006, 12:10 AM
Ben
Nov 8 2006, 08:56 PM
Hate is a strong word.

So is "You don't get equality."

I would certainly agree. It implies if not hate a sort of Aristotelean superiority on the part of heterosexuals IMO.
- Ben

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Ben
Nov 8 2006, 09:13 PM
kenny
Nov 9 2006, 12:10 AM
Ben
Nov 8 2006, 08:56 PM
Hate is a strong word.

So is "You don't get equality."

I would certainly agree. It implies if not hate a sort of Aristotelean superiority on the part of heterosexuals IMO.

Exactly right.

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Such can be said about many other cohorts who vote to define other social boundaries.
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Ben
Nov 8 2006, 10:13 PM
kenny
Nov 9 2006, 12:10 AM
Ben
Nov 8 2006, 08:56 PM
Hate is a strong word.

So is "You don't get equality."

I would certainly agree. It implies if not hate a sort of Aristotelean superiority on the part of heterosexuals IMO.

Aristotelean superiority? Does that mean anything? Please flesh it out for us.

And it is not a matter of equality, but of equity.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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OK, who said "yes"?

Are you happy now, Kenny?
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Aristotle taught that all things had degrees of perfection. The celestial bodies were perfect in every way - spherical, uniform... Earth was tainted by humans and therefore less perfect. To make it simpler, he would have said a gorilla was a less perfect man rather than a man is a more perfect gorilla. People used this reasoning to justify slavery - blacks had a lesser degree of perfection. It was the natural state of things that the more perfect whites should enslave them.
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Yeah what he said. :lol:

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Ben
Nov 8 2006, 09:46 PM
Aristotle taught that all things had degrees of perfection. The celestial bodies were perfect in every way - spherical, uniform... Earth was tainted by humans and therefore less perfect. To make it simpler, he would have said a gorilla was a less perfect man rather than a man is a more perfect gorilla. People used this reasoning to justify slavery - blacks had a lesser degree of perfection. It was the natural state of things that the more perfect whites should enslave them.

Aristotle was a pompous ass!
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Nov 8 2006, 09:43 PM
And it is not a matter of equality, but of equity.

Oh no. I think you will find it is a matter of equality- equal protection under law. That is, unless the Constitution can be amended.


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pianojerome
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Doesn't really matter, does it?


"I don't hate you, Kenny."

"Yes you do."

"No, I don't hate you, Kenny."

"Yes you do."

"No, I don't hate you, Kenny."

"Yes you do."


OK. Whatever you say, boss. :smile:

(I still don't hate you, Kenny)
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Ben
Nov 8 2006, 10:46 PM
Aristotle taught that all things had degrees of perfection. The celestial bodies were perfect in every way - spherical, uniform... Earth was tainted by humans and therefore less perfect. To make it simpler, he would have said a gorilla was a less perfect man rather than a man is a more perfect gorilla. People used this reasoning to justify slavery - blacks had a lesser degree of perfection. It was the natural state of things that the more perfect whites should enslave them.

Ok, I see where you are going with that term, though it does not seem to be anything A. himself would recognize. You might know of some other instances wherein A. uses perfection in that sense. What immediately comes to mind is the Metaphysics wherein A. uses "entelechy" (a notoriously ambiguous and ill defined word) to describe completeness. For A. the point is that a thing has that which it needs that which it is, or that it has everything necessary to attain its purpose (telos). Your notion of tainted is much more dualistic, and Platonic -- perhaps you can point to passages where A. uses it in that sense.

I am not sure that the idea of blacks as inferior has anything whatsoever to do with A.'s notion of entelechy, though I suppose that ideas get used, misused and abused for any rhetorical advantage that suits the purpose.

Perhaps you could argue a deficiency in purpose, given that homosexuals are not personally ordered toward procreation, although they are biologically ordered that way. But that in itself is not a cause for superiority, but rather a predication that the order of human relationships must entail heterosexual inclinations for its very existence-- hence the political and social *necessity* for heterosexual marriage where there is no political or social *necessity* for homosexual unions. Note the keyword *necessity*, which is not to say that *accommodation* or such can not or ought not be made.

But that becomes a matter of equity, not equality.
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Daniel
Nov 8 2006, 11:26 PM
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Nov 8 2006, 09:43 PM
And it is not a matter of equality, but of equity.

Oh no. I think you will find it is a matter of equality- equal protection under law. That is, unless the Constitution can be amended.

dissimilar things are not equal.

equity is a matter of fairness, impartiality, and lack of bias.
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Nov 8 2006, 11:31 PM
Daniel
Nov 8 2006, 11:26 PM
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Nov 8 2006, 09:43 PM
And it is not a matter of equality, but of equity.

Oh no. I think you will find it is a matter of equality- equal protection under law. That is, unless the Constitution can be amended.

dissimilar things are not equal.

Rights and privileges should not be dissimilar although it is clear you believe that gays are "not the same thing" as heterosexuals.

Equality is fine word to use in political discourse, and appropriate. It's mighty white of you to offer equity and accomodation. No deal.

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Daniel
Nov 9 2006, 12:47 AM
ivorythumper
Nov 8 2006, 11:31 PM
Daniel
Nov 8 2006, 11:26 PM
ivorythumper
Nov 8 2006, 09:43 PM
And it is not a matter of equality, but of equity.

Oh no. I think you will find it is a matter of equality- equal protection under law. That is, unless the Constitution can be amended.

dissimilar things are not equal.

Rights and privileges should not be dissimilar although it is clear you believe that gays are "not the same thing" as heterosexuals.

Equality is fine word to use in political discourse, and appropriate. It's mighty white of you to offer equity and accomodation. No deal.

Homosexual union is not the same thing as heterosexual marriage. There is no political necessity for homosexual unions -- there is obviously a political expediency for them -- but there is a social necessity for heterosexual marriage given the intrinsically generative order of complementary sexuality and the need for stable family life to raise children.

I've been through the notion too many time of some sort of registered domestic corporation in order to ensure basic "equality" (if you insist on sloppy language) of insurance, survivorship, visiting rights, inheritance etc to keep pissing about with you over this. So don't patronize me with the mighty white nonsense.
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Who is patronizing whom? LOL.

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