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| Hey Larry; You were wrong! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 8 2006, 03:48 AM (1,145 Views) | |
| phykell | Nov 8 2006, 11:01 AM Post #26 |
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Thanks ![]() So can GWB still make any decision he wants or will his freedom to pass or force legislation through be curtailed? Of course now we get to see, as with any opposition party taking power, whether or not they'll do anything about the issues they've complained about so vehemently in the past or whether it was all just to score political points. This isn't a criticism of the US Democrats by the way, it's simply my cynical view of any so-called opposition party. Generally speaking, politicians are most concerned with keeping the status quo whilst blaming any current problems on the party that went before. |
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| Jolly | Nov 8 2006, 11:02 AM Post #27 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Isn't 3 posts in a row talking to one's self some form of narcisstic public masturbation? |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Wacki Iraqi | Nov 8 2006, 11:05 AM Post #28 |
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Like you've got the credibility to back that up! I suspect we'll be saying the same thing as we're saying about all your predictions. And you'll be lying your way into some fresh ones Larry.
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| You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further. | |
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| Dave Spelvin | Nov 8 2006, 11:05 AM Post #29 |
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Fulla-Carp
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The latter. |
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| Jolly | Nov 8 2006, 11:10 AM Post #30 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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In our system of government, the Dems now control the committees that originate and consider legislation. Therefore, they have a leg up on setting the agenda. But legislation must pass both houses, and the Senate is still very close. Not to mention that many of the Dems elected last night are more conservative than their predecessors in the early 90's, so I think that may also have some effect on what the legislative meat grinder looks like in the next session of Congress. Lastly, the preseident can veto any bill he wishes to, and it cannot be overidden except by a 2/3s majority of the Senate. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Luke's Dad | Nov 8 2006, 11:12 AM Post #31 |
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Emperor Pengin
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As I said in another thread. Gridlock. |
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| kenny | Nov 8 2006, 11:14 AM Post #32 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Dems have a 7300 vote lead in Virginia. They only need 1. |
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| kenny | Nov 8 2006, 11:16 AM Post #33 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The last 6 years were *worse* than gridlock. Traffic went backwards. |
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| Jolly | Nov 8 2006, 11:18 AM Post #34 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Doesn't matter which way it falls. Since you have suddenly become a political expert, please explain to me how you are going to force cloture with 51 votes? |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Luke's Dad | Nov 8 2006, 11:21 AM Post #35 |
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That's assuming that all the Democrats vote the same way. Remember, this is a much more moderate conservative bunch that just won. With a coupe of conservative leaning Dems. There's also an indie, and don't forget Lieberman. The win here wasn't about passing whatever legislation they want, it's about having the majority to be in charge of the committees and shape the argument. Plus, as Jolly stated, they need a 2/3 majority to beat a veto. They don't have the votes for that. |
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| JBryan | Nov 8 2006, 11:24 AM Post #36 |
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Heck, they need 60 votes just to move something in the Senate. A barely 50/50 split leaves neither party in control except for the committees. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 8 2006, 11:59 AM Post #37 |
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Wrong. It's a 2/3 majority in the Senate, AND a 2/3 majority in the House. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 8 2006, 12:00 PM Post #38 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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It gives the Dems the power to hold whatever hearings they like, the power to subpoena and hold people in contempt of Congress, and the power to block nominations, judicial and otherwise, they don't like. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| mmmaestro007 | Nov 8 2006, 10:28 PM Post #39 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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does this mean no Republican can introduce a new bill, even W? |
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"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands, and all you can do is scratch it!" Sir Thomas Beechem, conductor | |
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| Daniel\ | Nov 8 2006, 10:53 PM Post #40 |
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This is what I'm clear on. I read that the 51 Democrats (assuming Webb goes to the Senate) includes the two Independents who will "vote with the Democrats". Surely this means "caucus" or something? How do the Independents "vote" for the 49 Democrats to be a majority? They're not a majority. |
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| OperaTenor | Nov 8 2006, 11:03 PM Post #41 |
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Pisa-Carp
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All of these scenarios are being painted assuming all Pubs will vote contrary to the Dems. I think that's more than a bit simplistic. |
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| Axtremus | Nov 9 2006, 05:55 AM Post #42 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Wrong. The IAEA was merely a month away from certifying Iraq as "nuclear weapon free" before we pulled the inspectors out and started the war to liberate Iraq. |
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| JBryan | Nov 9 2006, 05:59 AM Post #43 |
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I recall similar assurances by the IAEA with regard to Iran and N. Korea. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jolly | Nov 9 2006, 06:05 AM Post #44 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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The President is not responisble for, nor can he introduce legislation. Before you start criticizing, you really ought to read up on how our system of government works. |
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| George K | Nov 9 2006, 06:06 AM Post #45 |
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![]() Doesn't anyone find it ironic that the New York Times codemns the Bush administration for publishing captured Iraqi documents on the FMSO sites that reveal "how to build a nuclear weapon" when those same documents revealed that in 2002, Iraq was about 1 year away from having it? |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 9 2006, 06:38 AM Post #46 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Oh, a tad ironic, yeah. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Jolly | Nov 9 2006, 06:43 AM Post #47 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Much of what drove this election was MSM. A constant pounding on Iraq, along with some salacious ethical lapses, and selective story selection. A study conducted within the last 6 months of the campaign showed favorable stories for Dems running 3:1 ahead of favorable stories for the GOP. Not to mention that record unemployment and a record stockmarket get buried on A6. It will be interesting to see if the MSM hammers the new Congress the way they did the old. |
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| JBryan | Nov 9 2006, 06:58 AM Post #48 |
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Yes, they will be in for a tough time. It will be brutal. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 9 2006, 07:18 AM Post #49 |
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Technically correct, but as you are fond of saying, not the way it works in the real world. In the real world, if the White House wants to introduce a bill, the White House drafts a bill, hands it to a friendly Congressman and a friendly Senator, and it gets introduced. Technically, it's not W who introduces it. But in actual, real-world fact, it's the White House that drafted it, and it's the White House's bill. More likely, though, is that the White House works with one or more friendly Congressmen and/or Senators in the drafting process. The vast majority of the work will get done by people inside the Administration, with some comments and tweaking by Congressional staff, and perhaps some negotiation on specific important details between the Congressmen and Senators and higher-level legislative aides (or even the Chief of Staff). |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Dave Spelvin | Nov 9 2006, 07:42 AM Post #50 |
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Blaming the media is a copout. The current arrangement in Washington is bad. Enough people realized this and voted the bums out. Specifically, I'd say that several currents converged: Independents picked up on Republican lies and incompetence. The Republicans aren't more moral than Democrats, they weren't doing much if anything for middle class Americans, they fumbled the war in Iraq. They demonized Democrats, spreading lies and creating fears about what Democrats would do if in power. Look at Larry. He's been completely and utterly taken in. What else but fear itself makes someone think that Democrats will throw in the towel or make us less strong? Actual Conservatives got fed up with pseudo conservative perfidy, and the trading of principles for votes. Where's the smaller government? Exactly how is the government staying out of people's lives when the executive approves wire-tapping that is contrary to existing law? Actual Conservatives are disgusted and many have come out against Bush and the Republican Houses, encouraging voters to reject the failed and groundless policies. I'd say that's about it in a nutshell. We'll find out how well the Democrats do these next two years. My guess is that they will hold, if not increase, their majority in 2008. In that case, it will be less likely for a Democrat to win the presidency. That's OK with me, provided that the next Republican president knows what the hell she's doing. |
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