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The Battle for Britistan
Topic Started: Oct 20 2006, 08:53 AM (547 Views)
Luke's Dad
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We can ban veils. We can close our borders to all middle east muslims. We can deport those that are already here. And if we do these things, we will lose.

I'm all for tracking down each and every one of these terrorist bastards and driving a stake through their hearts. I'm for this war and seeing it fought with no quarter given from our side. I appreciate the stakes at hand and have a grasp of likely repercussions from compromising and appeasing.

That being said, we can not give up those principles that have made us what we are. Our principles of religious, political, and economic freedoms are one of our biggest strengths in this fight. Moreso than smartbombs, body armor, drone aircraft, etc......... We can hammer these bastards all day long with military strength. In fact, it's my belief we must. In the end however, the only true and lasting victory can come about from within the muslim community itself. This will not happen if we're taking away their freedoms that we promised to protect when they are a citizen of the United States.

You want to win this war? Beat the **** out of those that have and those that would do us harm. Kill the terrorists, kill the financiers, take down the sympathetic governments, etc.......But every step of the way, do everything possible to help those that are caught between both forces. Give them a hand out of the rubble, make sure that they have food to eat and medical treatment. Give them all of the respect that we could wish from them and more.

The terrorists believe they have a moral superiority in this war. Prove them wrong.
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Oct 21 2006, 05:33 PM
Police to avoid Ramadan arrests

Police in Manchester have been told not to arrest Muslims wanted on warrants at prayer times during Ramadan.

Greater Manchester Police confirmed it had asked detectives not to make planned arrests during those periods for reasons of religious sensitivity.

The advice was emailed out to officers working in Moss Side, Hulme, Whalley Range, Rusholme, Fallowfield, Ardwick, Longsight, Gorton and Levenshulme.

Police said it was not a blanket ban, just a "request for sensitivity".

The email stressed the order did not apply to on-the-spot arrests, only the execution of arrest warrants.

The holy month of Ramadan began on 22 September and is due to end with the festival of Eid-ul-Fitr next week.

The internal email was sent to staff listing the prayer times, but confusion arose and a second memo was sent clarifying it was not a total ban on arresting Muslims at these times.

A GMP statement said: "The primary objective of Greater Manchester Police is to fight crime and protect people.

"The month of Ramadan is an important time of the year for members of the Muslim community throughout the world.

"It is important that normal, planned policing activities and operations are maintained, while ensuring that officers are professional and respectful to members of the community while going about their duties."

Liberal Democrat councillor Simon Ashley, who represents the city's Gorton South ward and leads the party on Manchester City Council, said: "This sounds odd but we would need to find out what impact rescheduling arrests had on police operations.

"The police's first job is to police.

"I understand they have a difficult task to do and need to do it sensitively, especially within minority communities, but that can't stop them policing serious crimes."

Ramadan arrest advice 'is lunacy'


An Islamic youth organisation has condemned as "lunacy" police advice not to execute arrest warrants against Muslims at prayer times during Ramadan.
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) asked detectives not to make planned arrests for reasons of religious sensitivity.

But Mohammed Shafiq, from the Ramadhan Foundation, said: "It's stupid, lunacy, that police could even consider not arresting Muslims during Ramadan."

GMP said its advice was a "request for sensitivity" and not a ban on arrests.

'Community tensions'

The advice was e-mailed out to officers working in Moss Side, Hulme, Whalley Range, Rusholme, Fallowfield, Ardwick, Longsight, Gorton and Levenshulme.

The e-mail stressed the order did not apply to on-the-spot arrests, only the execution of arrest warrants.


"We must all be equal under the law"
Mohammed Shafiq
Ramadhan Foundation

Mr Shafiq said: "Greater Manchester Police have a history of policing the Muslim community with great sensitivity and understanding. That this idea was even thought of is shocking.

"I don't know where they get these ideas from and I'm glad an officer was clearly angry enough to leak the memo.

"Police shouldn't hesitate to arrest any Muslims they had planned to during Ramadan. We must all be equal under the law.

"If people think Muslims are immune from the law, it will only stir up tensions within the community."

A GMP statement said: "The month of Ramadan is an important time of the year for members of the Muslim community throughout the world.

"It is important that normal, planned policing activities and operations are maintained, while ensuring that officers are professional and respectful to members of the community while going about their duties."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6074186.stm


How now, brown cow.
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Luke's Dad
Oct 21 2006, 11:34 PM
We can ban veils. We can close our borders to all middle east muslims. We can deport those that are already here. And if we do these things, we will lose.

I'm all for tracking down each and every one of these terrorist bastards and driving a stake through their hearts. I'm for this war and seeing it fought with no quarter given from our side. I appreciate the stakes at hand and have a grasp of likely repercussions from compromising and appeasing.

That being said, we can not give up those principles that have made us what we are. Our principles of religious, political, and economic freedoms are one of our biggest strengths in this fight. Moreso than smartbombs, body armor, drone aircraft, etc......... We can hammer these bastards all day long with military strength. In fact, it's my belief we must. In the end however, the only true and lasting victory can come about from within the muslim community itself. This will not happen if we're taking away their freedoms that we promised to protect when they are a citizen of the United States.

You want to win this war? Beat the **** out of those that have and those that would do us harm. Kill the terrorists, kill the financiers, take down the sympathetic governments, etc.......But every step of the way, do everything possible to help those that are caught between both forces. Give them a hand out of the rubble, make sure that they have food to eat and medical treatment. Give them all of the respect that we could wish from them and more.

The terrorists believe they have a moral superiority in this war. Prove them wrong.

Nicely said.
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I don't know about veils, but I have seen signs demanding that motor cycle helmets be removed before entering a store.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that understand binary and................
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